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  • Jeffrey B. Gibson
    ... Joe and others, I sent the above to an orientalist at the University of Chicago (Paul Griffiths) ... Ball s in your court. Jeffrey -- Jeffrey B. Gibson
    Message 1 of 3 , May 2, 1999
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      joseph baxter wrote:

      > >
      > >>The birch bark Indian scripture dated 115 CE,
      > >
      > >Dated by whom, when, using what methods?
      >
      > This is where western critical methods and reporting can help. While I have
      > read repeated references to this scripture as dating to 115, none of these
      > works have described the precise dating method. The scripture is written in
      > the Shardic alphabet of ancient Kashmir on birch bark papyrus. The
      > passages in question, about 300 words are part of a much larger work which
      > are reported to have been compiled by Sutta in 115 CE.
      >
      > It is my understanding that Sutta is a known historical compiler who did
      > his work around 115 CE. His work is part of a larger work known as
      > Bhavishya Maha Purana, one of the sixteen Maha Puranas. Generally speaking
      > this section of the Puranas relates to Brahma, the creator god. More
      > specifically, it is a book of events, information, and prophecies started
      > by the devotees of a solar cult which existed in the third century BCE.
      >
      > The manuscript in question is a copy of the pre-115CE writings and
      > continues from it. As best as I can determine, the dating is based upon
      > the work of the Oriental Research Institute in Poona, India. It was
      > recently examined by the Kashmiri Director of Archaeology.
      >

      Joe and others,

      I sent the above to an orientalist at the University of Chicago (Paul Griffiths)
      to see how well the claims made therein are accepted, and here is his reply:


      > Sounds dubious to me. There are some birch-bark mss. from Kashmir, but
      > they're all a lot later than 115. And if this is a part of a Purana, it's
      > almost certainly later (though all this stuff is impossible to date). I've
      > never heard of 'Sutta' (this is the Pali equivalent of 'sutra', by the
      > way). I'd be suspicious of the whole thing.
      >
      Ball's in your court.

      Jeffrey
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      Jeffrey B. Gibson
      7423 N. Sheridan Road #2A
      Chicago, Illinois 60626
      e-mail jgibson000@...
    • Ian Hutchesson
      [Joe s diatribe omitted] ... Griffiths) ... Gosh Jeffrey, It s nice to have friends in high places! Ian
      Message 2 of 3 , May 2, 1999
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        [Joe's diatribe omitted]
        >
        >Joe and others,
        >
        >I sent the above to an orientalist at the University of Chicago (Paul
        Griffiths)
        >to see how well the claims made therein are accepted, and here is his reply:
        >
        >
        >> Sounds dubious to me. There are some birch-bark mss. from Kashmir, but
        >> they're all a lot later than 115. And if this is a part of a Purana, it's
        >> almost certainly later (though all this stuff is impossible to date). I've
        >> never heard of 'Sutta' (this is the Pali equivalent of 'sutra', by the
        >> way). I'd be suspicious of the whole thing.
        >>
        >Ball's in your court.

        Gosh Jeffrey,

        It's nice to have friends in high places!


        Ian
      • Jeffrey B. Gibson
        ... What? Don t you have any? Seriously, I m just lucky to know Dr. Griffiths well enough to run such things as Joe s post by him for his evaluation. But I
        Message 3 of 3 , May 2, 1999
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          Ian Hutchesson wrote:

          > [Joe's diatribe omitted]
          > >
          > >Joe and others,
          > >
          > >I sent the above to an orientalist at the University of Chicago (Paul
          > Griffiths)
          > >to see how well the claims made therein are accepted, and here is his reply:
          > >>
          > >> Sounds dubious to me. There are some birch-bark mss. from Kashmir, but
          > >> they're all a lot later than 115. And if this is a part of a Purana, it's
          > >> almost certainly later (though all this stuff is impossible to date). I've
          > >> never heard of 'Sutta' (this is the Pali equivalent of 'sutra', by the
          > >> way). I'd be suspicious of the whole thing.
          > >

          > Gosh Jeffrey,
          >
          > It's nice to have friends in high places!
          >

          What? Don't you have any? <g>

          Seriously, I'm just lucky to know Dr. Griffiths well enough to run such things as
          Joe's post by him for his evaluation. But I think we'd get the same response from
          almost any specialist in the scriptures and literature of the East, friend or not
          and in whatever place, don't you?

          Yours,

          Jeffrey
          --
          Jeffrey B. Gibson
          7423 N. Sheridan Road #2A
          Chicago, Illinois 60626
          e-mail jgibson000@...
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