Re: Jesus poisoned
- joe baxter wrote:
>I am sure that the various endings of Mark in the textual witnesses
> Jack said:
> >Except that Y'shua didn't say that handling snakes and drinking poison
> >nonsense. Probably a 3rd century North African named Ariston.
> Don't know much about Ariston (of Chios?) but Mark 16:17 says: "These are
> the signs that will be associated with believers: . . . they will pick up
> snakes in their hands, and be unharmed should they drink deadly poison."
has been discussed before. I think there is a consensus that not only
did Jesus NOT say these words, but neither did Mark record it. Mk
has 17 non-Markan words in that short space written in an obvious
style and rhetorical tone. The juncture between 16:8 and 16:9 is very
clumsy. This ending does NOT appear in the oldest mss. I mention the
possibility that this ending was supplied by Ariston because of an
mss that was copied from a more ancient version in 989 CE which adds
the colphon "ariston eritsou." Arist(i)on was a contemporary of Papias
in the Yohannine school.
Outside of internal and external critical reasons why this ending
was supplied to an abruptly ended Mark (I believe simply because Mark
died before completing it) there is the common sense that this
gospeler would not suggest tempting God by drinking poison and
handling snakes. "Handling a serpent" was an Aramaic idiom for
"a bucket of worms" or a difficult and dangerous enterprise. I
do not doubt that Jesus may have used that idiom on occasion
but he didn't mean for a bunch of squirrely nuts to pass
around rattlesnakes in church.
I sure am glad the idiom "hit the road" was not uttered by Jesus
in his Semitic tongue. That too would have been translated
to Greek, then English, and today we would have a bunch of
nuts out in the middle of I-10 smacking on the tarmac and being
flattened by 18-wheelers.
taybutheh d'maran yeshua masheecha am kulkon
- Happy New Year All, I always figure that talk of snake handling and
drinking of poison was symbolic. Kind of Steering clear of the Serpent and
the poison of Temptation, you know the message behind the message.
>God, Please Help Me to Remember That I am Unique;
Everyone Else. Light Everlasting, Y'All......kc
> From: Jack Kilmon <jkilmon@...>date
> To: joe baxter <joseph@...>
> Cc: Ian Hutchesson <mc2499@...>; crosstalk@...
> Subject: Re: Jesus poisoned
> Date: Friday, January 01, 1999 5:53 AM
> joe baxter wrote:
> > I have just been thrown off another
> > >list for complaining about a naff series of posts fantasizing over the
> > >of birth of Jesus.his
> > I must give you credit for being able to drink the poison.
> > So you must be able to understand the instructions that Iesu gave as
> > mark: you shall be immune to poison!
> Except that Y'shua didn't say that handling snakes and drinking poison
> nonsense. Probably a 3rd century North African named Ariston.
> taybutheh d'maran yeshua masheecha am kulkon
> Jack Kilmon