Re: Thoughts of GosThom
> Mahlon H. Smith wrote:I agree. I just forgot that one.
> > I think there is a fourth argument to support Thomasine independence that puts the
> > dependence people on the defensive:
> > 4. Randomness: GThom is regularly more disorganized than parallel
> > synoptic material.
> On the one hand, I think that if a similar organization were discernible betweenAnd I agree with this too. Perhaps Justin's sayings of Jesus are
> thomas/synoptics, then that would suggest strongly some kind of dependence. On the other
> hand, I don't think the absence of similar order, in and of itself, indicates anything.
disordered in reference to their sources (I've not checked but
suspect this is so)... yet this in and of itself does not mean that
Justin is taking them from oral tradition.
What Mahlon and I are saying is that Thomas matches what a collection
of sayings drawn from oral tradition would be, for it has the
characteristics of primitiveness, lack-of-clear-redactional-material,
absence of synoptic order, presence of a few authentic sayings not
otherwise known, presence of inauthentic sayings.
The dependence side cannot, so far as I know, disagree.
Their problem and task is to explain how it is that what appears to
be a collection of sayings drawn from oral tradition is, in fact, not
this but rather is a collection composed through interaction with the
Canonical Scriptures despite the fact that sayings composed
through interaction with the Canonical Scriptures as found in the
writings of e.g. Justin, 2 Clement, don't look like this at all,
while Q (pace Mark G) does look a good deal like this.
But let me put the question to the dependence side: "What would
a list of sayings attributed to Jesus drawn from oral tradition look
like if not like Thomas?"
- Dear Rene:
I think it has a much simpler answer: Nobody cares what gender anybody is.
Why should they? You pick the most likely, that's all. I cannot imagine
that the distinction, if known would alter any item in the ongoing
At 07:49 AM 10/22/98 -0700, you wrote:
> This disembodied forum of cyberspace, where all is transmitted via____________________________________
>printed word, can lead to amusing curiosities such as myself
>being referred to lately on Crosstalk as "she" and even most recently
>"Renee" (contrary to the evidence!) when I am in fact quite happily
>male... :) No apologies are in order by anyone except myself for not
>putting "Mr." in front of the name.
> It just goes to show how easy it is for all of us to go beyond the
> I'll be posting more GTh-Synoptic parallel statistics in the next 24
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