Re: Cult vs Sect
- re missive of 22/07/98 05:58 PM signed -Lewis Reich- :
>> Anyhow, Martin Luther and his sort are "sectarian" to the degreeMy thoughts exactly.
>> that one suspects they are the model of the type.
>> I was wonderingMe too. So if people don't mind a little bit of a departure from usual
>> about Mohammed. Seems to me that he too is "sectarian."
>Since my impression was that Muhammad introduced new material from a
>fairly early stage, I would have thought that under this scheme he would
>have been founding a cult.
list discussion, I'd be interested to hear why Steve thinks that!
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- At 06:46 PM 8/1/98 -0400, Lewis Reich wrote:
>...The model of the Pharisees as a pietist table fellowship who adoptedstricter
>rules modeled on the Temple rules for priests for themselves provides noLewis,
>sense of why Pharisees would feel impelled to "convert" other Jews to their
What is the basis for this model? It is not the impression I get from
> In addition, since the Pharisees do not seem to have had a program thatJosephus' description of the partisan strife between pharisees and
>they wished other Jews to adopt, why would they seek "converts"?
sadducees allows one to suspect that they sought strength in numbers.
>My impression of the Pharisees' is that they were interested inregularizing and
>systematizing traditional ways of doing things that had been handed down asI thought this was the role claimed by the "scribes" or "lawyers"
>various kinds of traditions. Their innovation was to regard themselves as
>arbiters of these traditions.
(GRAMMATEIS, if I remember the correct spelling). Were they Pharisees, too?
> In this, they were in conflict with Saduccees andExactly.
>priests who did not respect the traditions the Pharisees adduced.
>However,If they aspired to be the arbiters, they would need to convert the others
>there was no reason to "convert" other Jews, who were apparently the ones
>who were observing these varying traditions.
at least enough to accept their role as arbiters. How else are they going
"Is it not extraordinary to the point of being a miracle, that so loose
and ill-constructed a narrative in an antique translation of a dubious
text should after so many centuries still have power to quell and
dominate a restless, opinionated, overexercised and undernourished,
Malcolm Muggeridge _Jesus Rediscovered_ (1969), writing about
the KJV New Testament -