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    No, geology is not based on evolutionary bias ... One of the Big Lie tactics of young earth creationists is to go around claiming The idea of the antiquity
    Message 1 of 44 , Mar 1, 2006
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      No, geology is not based on "evolutionary bias"
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      One of the Big Lie tactics of young earth creationists is to go around claiming "The idea of the antiquity of the Earth in geology (and the antiquity of the Universe in astronomy) is based on evolutionary bias." As usual, the truth is otherwise...

      Historically, just as one example, the geologic column had been discovered by geologists and was being discussed in geology articles and books decades before the 1859 publication of *Origin of Species* by Charles Darwin. Conceptually, neither geology nor astronomy are based on any assumptions regarding biological evolution. They are simply independent fields of science whose discoveries and concepts concerning the antiquity of the Earth and the antiquity of the Universe have nothing to do with biological evolution.

      Indeed, it's rather peculiar and hypocritical for young earth creationists to be complaining about unscientific bias in the first place, because the fact of the matter is that it is young earth creationist who espouse young earth creationism on the basis of totally unscientific bias:

      From:
      http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=research&action=index&page=research_tenets
      [link may be line-wrapped]
      [as of 2/2/2006]

      | ICR Tenets on Creationism
      |
      | The Institute for Creation Research Graduate School has a unique
      | statement of faith for its faculty and students, incorporating most
      | of the basic Christian doctrines in a creationist framework,
      | organized in terms of two parallel sets of tenets, related to God's
      | created world and God's inspired Word, respectively. Reproduced below
      | are the ICR Educational Philosophy and its Tenets of Scientific
      | Creationism and Biblical Creationism.
      |
      | [snip]
      |
      | � All things in the universe were created and made by God in the six
      | literal days of the creation week described in Genesis 1:1-2:3, and
      | confirmed in Exodus 20:8-11.
      |
      | [snip]
      |
      | � The Biblical record of primeval earth history in Genesis 1-11 is
      | fully historical and perspicuous, including the creation and fall of
      | man, the curse on the creation and its subjection to the bondage of
      | decay, the promised Redeemer, the worldwide cataclysmic deluge in the
      | days of Noah, the post-diluvian renewal of man's commission to subdue
      | the earth (now augmented by the institution of human govemment) and
      | the origin of nations and languages at the tower of Babel.
      |
      | [snip]

      This is religious dogma, not science.

      From:
      http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/about/faith.asp
      [as of 2/2/2006]

      | Statement of Faith [Answers in Genesis]
      |
      | [snip]
      |
      | 3. The account of origins presented in Genesis is a simple but
      | factual presentation of actual events and therefore provides a
      | reliable framework for scientific research into the question of the
      | origin and history of life, mankind, the Earth and the universe.
      |
      | [snip]
      |
      | 5. The great Flood of Genesis was an actual historic event, worldwide
      | (global) in its extent and effect.
      |
      | 6. The special creation of Adam (the first man) and Eve (the first
      | woman), and their subsequent fall into sin, is the basis for the
      | necessity of salvation for mankind.
      |
      | 7. Death (both physical and spiritual) and bloodshed entered into
      | this world subsequent to, and as a direct consequence of, man�s sin.
      |
      | [snip]
      |
      | The following are held by members of the Board of Answers in Genesis
      | to be either consistent with Scripture or implied by Scripture:
      |
      | 1. Scripture teaches a recent origin for man and the whole creation.
      |
      | 2. The days in Genesis do not correspond to geologic ages, but are
      | six [6] consecutive twenty-four [24] hour days of Creation.
      |
      | 3. The Noachian Flood was a significant geological event and much
      | (but not all) fossiliferous sediment originated at that time.
      |
      | [snip]
      |
      | 6. By definition, no apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any
      | field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it
      | contradicts the Scriptural record. Of primary importance is the fact
      | that evidence is always subject to interpretation by fallible people
      | who do not possess all information.

      This is religious dogma, not science.

      From:
      http://www.creationresearch.org/belief_wndw.htm
      [as of 2/2/2006]

      | CRS Statement of Belief
      |
      | All members must subscribe to the following statement of belief:
      |
      | 1. The Bible is the written Word of God, and because it is inspired
      | throughout, all its assertions are historically and scientifically
      | true in the original autographs. To the student of nature this means
      | that the account of origins in Genesis is a factual presentation of
      | simple historical truths.
      |
      | 2. All basic types of living things, including man, were made by
      | direct creative acts of God during the Creation Week described in
      | Genesis. Whatever biological changes have occurred since Creation
      | Week have accomplished only changes within the original created
      | kinds.
      |
      | 3. The great flood described in Genesis, commonly referred to as the
      | Noachian Flood, was an historic event worldwide in its extent and
      | effect.
      |
      | [snip]

      This is religious dogma, not science.

      These are just a few examples from the most prominent YEC organizations. It's amazing that young earth creationist try to ignore or deny the blatantly obvious fact that they are the ones espousing views about science based on the distorting bias of their religious dogma, while at the same time complaining about some alleged bias (which is quite false) about evolution pervading geology (and astronomy).
    • creationism@yahoogroups.com
      No, geology is not based on evolutionary bias ... One of the Big Lie tactics of young earth creationists is to go around claiming The idea of the antiquity
      Message 44 of 44 , May 1 1:06 AM
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        No, geology is not based on "evolutionary bias"
        -----------------------------------------------

        One of the Big Lie tactics of young earth creationists is to go around claiming "The idea of the antiquity of the Earth in geology (and the antiquity of the Universe in astronomy) is based on evolutionary bias." As usual, the truth is otherwise...

        Historically, just as one example, the geologic column had been discovered by geologists and was being discussed in geology articles and books decades before the 1859 publication of *Origin of Species* by Charles Darwin.

        See:
        "Homo sapiens Deciphers Geologic Time"
        by Richard Miller (Geologist, San Diego State University, Professor Emeritus)
        http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/~rhmiller/geologictime/GeologicTime.htm

        Conceptually, neither geology nor astronomy are based on any assumptions regarding biological evolution. They are simply independent fields of science whose discoveries and concepts concerning the antiquity of the Earth and the antiquity of the Universe have nothing to do with biological evolution.

        Indeed, it's rather peculiar and hypocritical for young earth creationists to be complaining about unscientific bias in the first place, because the fact of the matter is that it is young earth creationist who espouse young earth creationism on the basis of totally unscientific bias:

        From:
        http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=research&action=index&page=research_tenets
        [link may be line-wrapped]
        [as of 2/2/2006]

        | ICR Tenets on Creationism
        |
        | The Institute for Creation Research Graduate School has a unique
        | statement of faith for its faculty and students, incorporating most
        | of the basic Christian doctrines in a creationist framework,
        | organized in terms of two parallel sets of tenets, related to God's
        | created world and God's inspired Word, respectively. Reproduced below
        | are the ICR Educational Philosophy and its Tenets of Scientific
        | Creationism and Biblical Creationism.
        |
        | [snip]
        |
        | � All things in the universe were created and made by God in the six
        | literal days of the creation week described in Genesis 1:1-2:3, and
        | confirmed in Exodus 20:8-11.
        |
        | [snip]
        |
        | � The Biblical record of primeval earth history in Genesis 1-11 is
        | fully historical and perspicuous, including the creation and fall of
        | man, the curse on the creation and its subjection to the bondage of
        | decay, the promised Redeemer, the worldwide cataclysmic deluge in the
        | days of Noah, the post-diluvian renewal of man's commission to subdue
        | the earth (now augmented by the institution of human govemment) and
        | the origin of nations and languages at the tower of Babel.
        |
        | [snip]

        This is religious dogma, not science.

        From:
        http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/about/faith.asp
        [as of 2/2/2006]

        | Statement of Faith [Answers in Genesis]
        |
        | [snip]
        |
        | 3. The account of origins presented in Genesis is a simple but
        | factual presentation of actual events and therefore provides a
        | reliable framework for scientific research into the question of the
        | origin and history of life, mankind, the Earth and the universe.
        |
        | [snip]
        |
        | 5. The great Flood of Genesis was an actual historic event, worldwide
        | (global) in its extent and effect.
        |
        | 6. The special creation of Adam (the first man) and Eve (the first
        | woman), and their subsequent fall into sin, is the basis for the
        | necessity of salvation for mankind.
        |
        | 7. Death (both physical and spiritual) and bloodshed entered into
        | this world subsequent to, and as a direct consequence of, man�s sin.
        |
        | [snip]
        |
        | The following are held by members of the Board of Answers in Genesis
        | to be either consistent with Scripture or implied by Scripture:
        |
        | 1. Scripture teaches a recent origin for man and the whole creation.
        |
        | 2. The days in Genesis do not correspond to geologic ages, but are
        | six [6] consecutive twenty-four [24] hour days of Creation.
        |
        | 3. The Noachian Flood was a significant geological event and much
        | (but not all) fossiliferous sediment originated at that time.
        |
        | [snip]
        |
        | 6. By definition, no apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any
        | field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it
        | contradicts the Scriptural record. Of primary importance is the fact
        | that evidence is always subject to interpretation by fallible people
        | who do not possess all information.

        This is religious dogma, not science.

        From:
        http://www.creationresearch.org/belief_wndw.htm
        [as of 2/2/2006]

        | CRS Statement of Belief
        |
        | All members must subscribe to the following statement of belief:
        |
        | 1. The Bible is the written Word of God, and because it is inspired
        | throughout, all its assertions are historically and scientifically
        | true in the original autographs. To the student of nature this means
        | that the account of origins in Genesis is a factual presentation of
        | simple historical truths.
        |
        | 2. All basic types of living things, including man, were made by
        | direct creative acts of God during the Creation Week described in
        | Genesis. Whatever biological changes have occurred since Creation
        | Week have accomplished only changes within the original created
        | kinds.
        |
        | 3. The great flood described in Genesis, commonly referred to as the
        | Noachian Flood, was an historic event worldwide in its extent and
        | effect.
        |
        | [snip]

        This is religious dogma, not science.

        These are just a few examples from the most prominent YEC organizations. It's amazing that young earth creationist try to ignore or deny the blatantly obvious fact that they are the ones espousing views about science based on the distorting bias of their religious dogma, while at the same time complaining about some alleged bias (which is quite false) about evolution pervading geology (and astronomy).
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