An argument Jon Gary Williams should NOT use
- Hi, everyone.
At http://www.hattoncoc.org/bulletin48.html we see Church Of Christ
member Jon Gary Williams claim that "evolution does not fit the
evidence. The only place to go to find concrete, empirical evidence
for evolution would be the fossil record. However, there is not a
single case of a transitional form!"
This argument is so bad that even the young earth creationist group
called Answers in Genesis has advised fellow young earth creationists
against using this argument:
Arguments we think creationists should NOT use
Here are several detailed discussions on the subject of transitional
The Fossil Record: Evolution or "Scientific Creation"
A Critical Look at Creationist Paleontology
Taxonomy, Transitional Forms, and the Fossil Record
Transitional Vertebrate Fossils FAQ
On Creation Science and "Transitional Fossils"
Fossil Hominids: The Evidence for Human Evolution
Re: New transitional fossil
Of course - never fear! - since young earth creationists possess an
attitude of obstinately promoting error and have little respect for
the truth, we should remain confident that they will continue to
promote this wrong argument for at least another twenty years. This
is not cynicism, but reality. Golly, we can't even get them to admit
the trivial fact that Peter Frenzen did NOT say that the erosional
gorge formed at Mt. St. Helens following its eruption was a hardrock
- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Todd S. Greene" <greeneto@y...>
wrote, in part:
> (W)e can't even get them (i.e. Buff Scott, Jr., theIt is, indeed, most fascinating that such a matter remains unresolved
> alleged reformer) to admit the trivial fact that Peter
> Frenzen did NOT say that the erosional gorge formed at
> Mt. St. Helens following its eruption was a hardrock
while Buff, the alleged reformer, has specific knowledge relative to
his misrepresentations of Peter Frenzen, the National Geographic, and
Loowitt Falls Canyon on Mt. St. Helens.
I just checked again. YES, here it is December 12, 2003 and the
following is still up on Buff's website:
> http://www.mindspring.com/~renewal/Canyon.htmlDoes anybody know anything about what Buff is up to regarding that
> Mount St. Helens vs. The Grand Canyon
> Mount St. Helens erupted on May 18, 1980.
> Some years later, a monument scientist (Peter Frenzen)
> examined the hardrock canyon, created by the eruption,
> and remarked,
> > "You'd expect a hardrock canyon to be thousands, even
> > hundreds of thousands of years old. But this one was
> > cut in less than a decade."
> > (National Geographic, May, 2000).
> Rick Presley, a knowledgeable student of geology, says,
> "Pretty convincing evidence that the Grand Canyon didn't
> take millions of years to form. If you can research it out,
> Mount St. Helens has proven to be a huge geologic laboratory
> that has overturned a great many uniformitarian assumptions."
matter. Is it true he's pulling a "Bert" on us and is just going to
leave what he knows is erroneous on his website? From what I have
observed Buff has pretty much gone into hiding regarding the matter
and his supporters have very effectively circled the wagons around
Considering Buff's competition with Bert, I guess this will put him
right up there in Bert's league concerning such things. What stellar
examples (Buff & Bert) that the critics of "young-earth, creation-
science" are quite right when it comes to some of the men pushing
- On 12 Dec 2003 at 8:42, Todd S. Greene wrote:
> Hi, everyone.You forgot the following:
> At http://www.hattoncoc.org/bulletin48.html we see Church Of Christ
> member Jon Gary Williams claim that "evolution does not fit the
> evidence. The only place to go to find concrete, empirical evidence
> for evolution would be the fossil record. However, there is not a
> single case of a transitional form!"
> This argument is so bad that even the young earth creationist group
> called Answers in Genesis has advised fellow young earth
> creationists against using this argument:
> Arguments we think creationists should NOT use
> Here are several detailed discussions on the subject of transitional
> The Fossil Record: Evolution or "Scientific Creation"
> Mammal-Like Reptiles
> Horse Evolution
> A Critical Look at Creationist Paleontology
> Taxonomy, Transitional Forms, and the Fossil Record
> Transitional Vertebrate Fossils FAQ
> On Creation Science and "Transitional Fossils"
> Fossil Hominids: The Evidence for Human Evolution
> Re: New transitional fossil
Watch the split line and type the ml on the end....
- Hi, everyone.
I submitted an edited version of my post #16061
to the guestbook at the Hatton Church Of Christ website (
http://www.hattoncoc.org/bulletin48.html ). Upon submission, I get
the message "Your entry has been recorded. Your entry won't be listed
until the site owner has approved it." It will be interesting to see
if the site owner has the integrity to present the criticism of the
erroneous article by Jon Gary Williams.