[creat] Re: evolution
- --- In email@example.com, "ed_horwood" <ed.horwood@b...>
> --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "tinroad66" <tinroad66@y...>Tin: Oh you want evidence. OK. I look forward to your response to
> > --- In email@example.com, RangerComH@a... wrote:
> > > In a message dated 5/30/03 7:31:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > ed.horwood@b... writes:
> > >
> > > > >Tin: So believing in reality is against religion. OK now I
> > > > >understand.
> > > >
> > > > That all depends on how you define reality. Is reality the
> > > > limitation of the grey matter in your skull?
> > > > If you saw Jesus calming a storm, walking on water, healing
> > > > sick, raising the dead etc etc etc, would you class that as
> > reality??
> > > > There are unexplained faith healings occuring all the time,
> > they
> > > > reality? not according to science. So how do you define
> > > >
> > >
> > > Ah! A thinker in the group!
> > >
> > Tin: Good then let him think about this. That creationism is
> > is reality. It is reality because of the evidence produced by
> > separate scientific displines producing concrete objective facts
> > scientists from every major religous group from all over the
> > Creationism is objectively wrong.
> > To adopt creationism is to deny reality.
> oh grief, more evidence, more facts. So informative. If this is a
> forum to simply let out your anger, I suggest you find a site that
> deals with mental stress.
disproves flood geology.
Animal burrows in alleged flood sediment (AFS)
Animal track in AFS
Dry land meteor impacts in AFS
A layer of ash, iridium and impact ejecta at the K-T boundary
Cycles of marine sediment and dry land layers (non marine layers
consist of terrestrial fossils both plants and animals and NO marine
fossils) in AFS
Sand dunes in AFS (how can you have a desert in the middle of a
Radiometric dating techiniques are consistent with each other and
relative dating techniques. They confirm the evolutionary timeframe.
The fossil record is sorted on an evolutionary timeframe and in
General overview of the 3+ billion year fossil record -- in order of
first bacteria before
first multicellular organism before
first shelled organisms before
first insects before
first amphibians before
first reptiles before
first dinosaurs before
first birds before
first placental mammals before
first first apes before
Specific fossil relationships that defy flood geology:
Moles above flying dinosaurs.
Flowering plants above non-flowering plants
Dinosaurs only below the K-T boundary, primates only above it
Ammonites sorted by internal complexity, more complex show up
later in the fossil record.
Hominids are only found in the top layers. No hominid fossils
nor hominid artefact is found below the Cenozoic. Creationists claim
that humans are sorted last because they ran for the hills during the
flood. Did their artefacts run too ?
Both hominids and modern humans are typically found in
association with their artefacts indicating that the running for the
hills scenario is bogus.
Hominid fossils are not found on the tops of mountains.
Modern humans are found above all other hominids
Hominids are sorted in an evolutionary fashion. See below (note
Order of first appearance in the fossil record:
Sahelanthropus tchadensis (320380cc)
Ardipithecus ramidus (dental and postcranial remains)
Orrorin turgenesis (postcranial)
Australopithecus anamensis (cranial capacity unknown)
A. afarensis (mean of 470cc, range 375-540cc)
A. bahrelghazali (cranial capacity unknown)
A. africanus (440-480cc)
A. garhi (c. 450cc)
A. robustus (c. 475cc)
A. boisei (c. 450cc)
A. aethiopicus (c. 410cc)
H. habilis (c. 500-800cc)
H. erectus (c. 725-1250cc)
H. heidelbergensis (c. 1300cc)
H. neanderthalensis (c. 1350-1600cc)
H. sapiens (c.1300-1500cc)
How did the flood sort hominids in evolutionary order ?
Creationists simultaneously claim each of the following: 1) that
Noah's ark took two of each kind; 2) the great flood is responsible
for virtually all fossils. What happened to all the extinct species
found in the fossil record ? Dinosaurs for example.
By the 1850s it was clear to even creationist clergy that flood
geology was wrong. Flood geology had it's last gasp at that time.
Flood geology is scientifically dead. It lives only as a
Frankenstein like hybrid of Christian apologetics and pseudo-science.
- On 26 Oct 2005 at 20:42, dimension11th wrote:
> It has been stated on this forum that evolution is fact. I wouldDemanding particular transition fossils (after researching to see
> appreciate a resource for the following....
> Transitional fossils for the dragonfly including when it developed
> flight. Transitional fossils for the cow becoming a whale or
> dolphin. Transitional fossils of dinosaurs showing what they
> evolved from.
that they do not exist) is a favorite creationist ploy. In fact,
for every transitional fossil so provided, they merely have two
more gaps to complain about. The transitions between reptiles
and early mammals and reptiles and early dinos are actually SO
gradual that it's difficult to say where to draw the lines.
> Since Darwin made his theory there has been an increase inActually there is a lot of transitional fossil evidence,
> fossil digs 100 fold, so I'm sure there is enough evidence to
> show the facts now?
including a fairly large collection of hominins, at least some of
which are undoubtedly human ancestors. But the REAL, HARD
evidence is in the genetics, which is beginning to be the
creationists' biggest problem. They spend a lot of energy trying
to misrepresent the data, though and trying to change the subject
away from the REAL evidence to other features of the genomes.
God is an evolutionist.