Re: The USA was Founded on Atheism, no god laws.
- The USA didn't begin when its constitution was signed in 1787, it began with the Declaration of Independence in 1776. That declaration includes the words:
"the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God"
"that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights"
"appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world"
"with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence"
The 1777 Articles of Confederation include the phrase:
"And Whereas it hath pleased the Great Governor of the World to incline the hearts of the legislatures we respectively represent in Congress"
As a non-religeous person, that doesn't sound like a bunch of atheists to me.
--- In email@example.com, Katherine Trammell <katherinetrammell@...> wrote:
> There ARE laws that keep you Christians from forcing people to go to Sunday school or worshipping your imaginary god. This is an Atheist country that is tolerant of your delusions and myths. Atheism is not a belief, it is a conclusion. Â KT
> From: Truman <seekeththee@...>
> To: firstname.lastname@example.org
> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 5:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [creationevolutiondebate] The USA was Founded on Atheism, no god laws.
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 6:32 AM, <PIASAN@...> wrote:
> > sorry about the double post....
> > From: Katherine Trammell
> > the US has Atheist LAWS....there is no law that says anyone has to worship god,
> > or go to sunday school, or obey any religious laws. This country was founded on
> > Atheism
> > Pi:
> > There is also no law that prevents anyone from worshiping God, going to Sunday school, or obeying religious laws.
> > More correctly, the country was founded on agnosticism.... the idea that the government has no place in religion and religion has no place in government.
> Aganosticism does not seem appropriate as there are so many references
> to "God" or "Creator". Perhaps Humanism is what the country was
> founded on? That each human has the right to choose to worship or
> OTOH, why do we have "In God we trust" all over our money?
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- On 28/02/2012 3:36 AM, Katherine Trammell wrote:
> Prove I don't Dave...merely claiming something is or is not true, proves nothing. You are boring. KTI was just making an observation about why YOU are boring.
Learn something about political ideology instead of just spouting
cliches about it. Communism is a complex entity with at least three
major formats (Stalinism, Trotskyism and Maoism) all stemming from
Marx's original socialism. The First International is largely
represented today in social democratic parties throughout the west. The
second is still represented in residual communist parties in eastern
Europe while Maoism has morphed into the present Chinese government.
Trotskyism is largely a fringe movement these days. In the 60's its
followers made attempts to infiltrate mainstream parties.
The Stalinists and Maoists DID place a strong emphasis on state
ownership (as stewards for the working class) of the means of
production. What most of the world has discovered over the years is
that a mixture of state and private ownership is most likely ideal. We
see few calls for privatizing streets or fire and police departments.
But did you know that the Chinese constitution under Mao precluded party
membership for anyone not enjoying the support of a majority in his/her