- ... significance of ... Tin: Conspecifics attend to the behavior of their potential mates. They analyze traits and behaviors for genetic quality. Dances ofMessage 1 of 45 , Nov 1, 2003View Source
> Michael: Are you saying that female albatrosses knew thesignificance of
> the dance before males evolved the ability to dance? What selectiveTin: Conspecifics attend to the behavior of their potential mates.
> advantage would there have been for female albatrosses to evolve an
> ability to recognize something that did not yet exist?
They analyze traits and behaviors for genetic quality. Dances of
various types display traits such as size, symmetry, coordination,
vigor, etc. It is not necessary to evolve a separate gene to analyze
a particular dance. You seem to think it is. Please correct
Michael: Are you saying that one gene enables a female animal to
understand the significance of dances, bowers, chuck calls, songs,
plumage, and bowers? If this were the case, in the same animal species
some males would dance, others would sing, others would have ornate
plumage, and still others would build bowers. In fact, in the same
species, there would be different types of bowers, dances, songs, and
> have already proposed the following two hypotheses, either one ofwhich
> if proven true would place great doubt on evolution: (1) All racesMost
> genetically consider Caucasian physical features attractive. (2)
> men worldwide genetically find high heels, makeup, earrings, andlong,
> polished fingernails on women attractive.Tin: Neither of these make any sense. Strike three. ID is out.
Michael: Don't just say it doesn't make any sense; explain why it doesn't
make any sense.
Note that both hypotheses are
> testable, unlike evolution, which can't really be tested because ofthe
> long time required.Tin: Please describe your testable hypothesis. So far we don't have
anything scientific. Make sure you have testable, observable,
SCIENTIFIC way to evaluate ID. Make sure you contrast it with
biological evolution. I hope it is better than the silliness
Michael: Explain what further description you need and why you don't
think the above hypotheses are scientific?
- Males of one species ... recognize all ... Tin: No, why would they ? Michael: If females have evolved the ability to recognize a variety of healthy traits,Message 45 of 45 , Dec 6, 2003View SourceMales of one species
> display only one trait. If females evolved the ability torecognize all
> healthy traits, then males of one species would display a variety ofTin: No, why would they ?
> traits; singing, ornate plumage, bower building, dancing etc.
Michael: If females have evolved the ability to recognize a variety of
healthy traits, then there is nothing to prevent males of one species to
display a variety of traits, rather than just one.
> Michael: First you claim that culture would be able to explain whyall
> races would find Caucasian physical features attractive.Tin: NO. First, you have not demonstrated that all races find
caucasion physical features (most) attractive. It is almost
certainly WRONG (in addition to being weird). Thus, the rest of your
comments fall like a house of cards.
Michael: You claimed that ID is untestable. I have presented a testable
hypothesis for ID; that all races find Caucasian physical features
attractive. It is a hypothesis. If I can already prove it, it wouldn't
be a hypothesis.
The point is that if
> studies show that all races find Caucasian physical featuresattractive,
> then the reason must be genetics and evolution would be doomedbecause
> the only explanation would be Intelligent Design.Tin: This is your second layer of error. Even if your false claim
were correct it could still be explained by culture. Your third
layer of error is that even if it were genetics and not culture there
is absolutely no reason to indicate that ID would be a better
explanation than real science like biological evolution.
Of course the whole scenario is so damn goofy I hate mention the
serious science of evolution in the same paragraph as this blonde,
high heels junk. I wish we could get you move into an area that we
can take more seriously.
Michael: Okay. Let's assume that all races find Caucasian physical
features attractive. Now, explain it using culture. Then let us assume
that all races genetically find Caucasian physical features attractive.
Explain it using evolution.