Re: [creation_evolution_debate] Re: Empiricism and descent
- LA> Fair enough, but then no one has even
presented any "forensic" evidence for evolution at
all and THAT is the problem. All the evidence
best supports Creation! For example, the famous
atheistic evolutionist, Richard (Blind Watchmaker)
Dawkins, has freely admitted that;
What evidence supports Creation??
LA> I just provided it from Richard (Blind
Watchmaker) Dawkins, of course. So you DELETED
that and then ask the same question again. You
are obviously NOT being serious at all.
In any case, Dawkins does not address the
creation of the universe ... only a watch. So I
ask you again ... what evidence supports
>LA> So long as the evidence that Dawkin's has
provided is strong support for a Creator, than the
case is still valid. However, the so-called Big
Bang hypothesis seems to have convinced lots of
scientists to reject atheism and to conclude that
there must be a Creator.
LA> Such people do NOT necessarily become
Christians of course. Some call themselves
"deists" and others call themselves "theists" or
"theistic evolutionists" and still others call
themselves "Progressive creationists" and try to
make all sorts of "compromises" and
"accommodations" when they imagine that they are
LA> Thus in the last few decades there has been a
strong swing in many areas of science to belief in
a Creator and Intelligent Design. Even YOU said in
a previous message that, you don't have much
problem with there being a Creator for the
universe and you said that what you absolutely
could NOT accept was an active Creator --
persumably meaning that this amounts to
Christianity and the ethical and moral code that
goes with it!
Laurie's refusal to answer the question is
What I find most interesting in this response
is the insinuation that the atheist does not have
an ethical and moral code. But then given the
assumption that you are a Christian and do* have a
code, why is it that you do not follow it??
- Roger, what we need to be determining is some empirical evidence for
evolution. What experiments or observations of "man evolving from
nonhuman ancestors" can you point to? Where are they in the scientific
literature? Let us do a forensic examination of them.--EdConsider the following from the "scientific literature" (as IF you had the slightest interest in, or knowledge of it, Ed) JUST for hominid evolution:Sahelanthropus tchadensis (320380cc), ca. 6-7mya.
Ardipithecus ramidus (dental and postcranial remains), ca. 5-6mya.
Orrorin turgenesis (postcranial), ca. 5mya.
Australopithecus anamensis (cranial capacity unknown), ca. 4.9-5.2mya.
A. afarensis (mean of 470cc, range 375-540cc), ca. 3.8-2.8mya.
A. bahrelghazali (cranial capacity unknown), ca. 2.8-3.2mya.
A. africanus (440-480cc), ca. 2.2-2.6mya.
A. garhi (c. 450cc), ca. 2.3-2.6mya.
A. robustus (c. 475cc), ca. 1.4-1.8mya.
A. boisei (c. 450cc), ca. 1.2-1.8mya.
A. aethiopicus (c. 410cc), ca. 2-2.4mya.
H. habilis (c. 500-800cc), ca. 1.8-2.1mya.
H. ergaster (c. 1100-1434), ca. 1.3-1.8mya.
H. erectus (c. 725-1250cc), ca.250kya. - 1.3mya.
H. heidelbergensis (c. 1300cc), ca. 300-170kya
H. neanderthalensis (c. 1350-1600cc), ca. 200-35kya.H. floresiensis (c. 850cc), ca. 18-13kya.
H. sapiens (c.1300-1500cc), ca. 170kya-present