Re: [creation_evolution_debate] persisting despite clear findings of error....was: Liars..
- ----- Original Message -----From: PIASAN@...Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 3:26 AMSubject: [creation_evolution_debate] persisting despite clear findings of error....was: Liars..LA> The "bad thing" is to persist in an idea in SPITE of the clear scientific findings that repudiate that idea. It them becomes a vehicle to promote error, confusion and falsehoods.Pi:That applies to all of the current creation "science" models of which I'm aware including:1) Barry Setterfield's c-decay.2) Dr. Russell Humphreys' white holes.3) Dr. Jason Lisle's anisotropic synchrony4) Dr. Larry Vardiman's vapor canopy.5) Dr. John Baumgardner's runaway subduction.6) Dr. Walt Brown's hydroplates.Among these models are some (such as c-decay) that even the creationist ministries say should not be used; others (such as white holes and the vapor canopy) that even the author admits will not work; and several (such as vapor canopy, runaway subduction, and hydroplates) that, if true, would sterilize the planet. (I can think of little that would more effectively refute a scientific model than the fact it would destroy all life on Earth.).Laurie claims to want creation "science" taught in public schools, yet he has never proposed a single current creation "science" model that should be presented in public schools ..... let attempt a defense of such model in this forum.LA> Nothing alters the fact that various evolutionists have admitted at various times and in various ways that the Creation scientists regularly "routed" their evolutionary opponents in that decade of all those hundreds of open, public debates on the scientific questions! For example a noted evolutionary Biologist wrote the following;----------------------------------------------"Why do creationists seem to be the consistent
winners in public debates with evolutionists? . . .
We biologists are our own worst enemies in the
creationist-evolutionist controversies.""We must no longer duck this and other issues
related to biology and human affairs, and when we do
face them we must think clearly and express ourselves
accordingly. We may still not be consistent winners in
the creationist- evolutionist debates, but let the
losses that occur be attributable to other than lapses
in professional standards.("Evolution/Creation Debate," Bioscience, Vol.30, January 1980, p. 4)=-=================Laurie."From my earliest training as a scientist, I was very strongly brainwashed
to believe that science cannot be consistent with any kind of deliberate
creation. That notion has had to be painfully shed.
(Chandra Wickramasinghe, noted astronomer and ex-atheist Buddhist, 1981).
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Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 8:56 AM
Subject: RE: [creation_evolution_debate] persisting despite clear findings of error....was: Liars..