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Re: [Covenanted Reformation] What happens when you sin?

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  • kim White
    Dear Martin, Thank you for the link if I have any questions after I read it I will let you know. Kim ... covenantedreformationclub-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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      Dear Martin,

      Thank you for the link if I have any questions after
      I read it I will let you know.
      Kim













      --- Martin <paleopuritan@...> wrote:
      > I don't think it's a hindering of God per se. God
      > is not required to
      > chastise believers according to the full extent of
      > punishment their sin
      > deserves, nor does he -- Christ having borne the
      > just and full wrath of God
      > in their stead. God is often merciful and
      > longsuffering towards his
      > children, even in his chastisement of them.
      >
      > I think John Owen touches on this topic in his work
      > on the mortification of
      > sin in believers, I also believe his exposition of
      > Psalm 130 does as well.
      > http://www.reformed.org/books/owen/vol6/
      >
      > Martin
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: "kim White" <sewingkim@...>
      > To: <covenantedreformationclub@yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 2:42 PM
      > Subject: Re: [Covenanted Reformation] What happens
      > when you sin?
      >
      >
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      > > Thanks for the reply. So, we can hinder God like
      > the
      > > water spigot. Just tune him out like when the kids
      > > turn the radio on real loud.
      > > I think I take to much for granted back and forth
      > > into the relationship and don't think about the
      > time
      > > when I am out sinning. Of course, I have justified
      > it
      > > with teeny tiny sins.
      > > Kim
      > >
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      > >
      > > --- gmw <raging.calvinist@...> wrote:
      > > > When a Christian sins, I think it's more like
      > your
      > > > explanation #2, but I think it's more like
      > getting a
      > > > whipping than getting a time out. Consider,
      > > >
      > > > Psalm 89:30-34:
      > > >
      > > > "If his children forsake my law, and walk not in
      > my
      > > > judgments; If they break my statutes, and keep
      > not
      > > > my commandments; Then will I visit their
      > > > transgression with the rod, and their iniquity
      > with
      > > > stripes. Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I
      > not
      > > > utterly take from him, nor suffer my
      > faithfulness to
      > > > fail. My covenant will I not break, nor alter
      > the
      > > > thing that is gone out of my lips."
      > > >
      > > > I can see the "time out" thing though,
      > especially
      > > > when considering the idea that our prayers can
      > be
      > > > hindered when we are in sin.
      > > >
      > > > gmw.
      > > >
      > > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > > From: Kim White
      > > > To: covenantedreformationclub@yahoogroups.com
      > > > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 4:42 PM
      > > > Subject: [Covenanted Reformation] What happens
      > > > when you sin?
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > I hope I am phrasing this questions right. I
      > was
      > > > thinking about this
      > > > after reading a website.
      > > > Exactly, what happens when you sin.
      > > > I came up with two sceniros neither one I am
      > sure
      > > > is correct but
      > > > trying to come up with some answers.
      > > > 1. When you sin its sort of like a water
      > spigot.
      > > > When you sin your
      > > > cut off from God repent than your on again.
      > Sort
      > > > of an on and off
      > > > relationship again and again. Hopefully, as
      > you
      > > > grow in Grace the
      > > > water is running more freely.
      > > > 2. Is like a Father who puts his child in
      > > > time-out. The child has
      > > > sinned but there's still this loving bond
      > going on
      > > > between which
      > > > really never stops following. The time-out has
      > > > separated the child
      > > > from the father but the father still using the
      > > > discipline of the time-
      > > > out to bring the child back into his loving
      > grace
      > > > and mercy.
      > > > I am actually thinking deep thoughts so I
      > would
      > > > like some help
      > > > please I might have expressed this wrong.
      > > > Thank you,
      > > > Kim
      > > >
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