Re: [Covenanted Reformation] Question for Covenanters
- Perhaps someone else would like to take this up with you. As for
myself, I don't have much fight in me anymore, so I will answer but
I deny that making covenants and keeping the covenants that already
are made is a "shadow." Rather, as all Reformed Catechisms teach,
making and keeping oaths, vows, covenants are related to the Third
Commandment. Even if a covenant is merely "made by man" it doesn't
mean you can change it or make it null (Gal. 3:15). What kind of
chaos in business, political, family, and religious life would that
lead to? "I realize that I covenanted to be your husband, but since
that I am a mere man, the covenant I swore is null and void."
That a covenant includes "unsaved people" should not shock anyone who
has an understanding of Covenant Theology -- the visible Church also
includes "unsaved people" who partake of the signs and seals of the
Covenant of Grace -- though the signs and seals be not effectual to
> Jer 50:5 They shall ask the way to Zion with their facesNo, it is not speaking of National Israel (as Calvin notes, "the
> thitherward, [saying], Come, and let us join ourselves to the LORD
> in a perpetual covenant [that] shall not be forgotten.
> Here my question is... if this is a *perpetual covenant* where is
> it found today, and... Isn't this again speaking of National Israel?
passage clearly shows that this prophecy cannot be otherwise
explained than of Christ's spiritual kingdom"), and it is found in
your baptism, and in Churches and Nations who, like the
Macedonians, "gave themselves to the Lord" (2 Cor. 8:5) and who will
be the Lord's (Rev. 11:12). Our view of the National Covenant and
the Solemn League and Covenant is that they bind you to no more than
what the Word of God already requires of you, and thus the Henderson
quote that Brother Doom supplied, that you are bound to this Covenant
(that is, to the matter thereof), by your baptism. You are already
required, as a Christian, to uphold and defend the True Religion of
Christ, to defend your brothers and your king, to resist Popery and
other enemies of the Faith. These are the what the articles of the
Covenant outline. But that it was sworn, it further binds, as an
oath to tell the truth in court does not mean that you were not
otherwise bound to tell the truth, but rather that you are now made
not only a liar but a perjuror if you do not tell the truth.
> no?That would be correct -- No.
> > Did you read the Covenants in question?I disagree. You would throw off a Covenant without knowing the
> I'll try to get to it but I don't think my questions so far are all
> that complicated where I would need to.
content thereof, which is foolishness.
- "By the way, I am a US citizen, and do not believe I am bound to the
Only the federal government was originally bound by the
Constitution. Today it is treated as if it also binds all state,
county, and munincipal governments as well. It still does not bind
individuals. Otherwise you'd be required to tolerate free speech and
the free excercise of religion in your own house! The Constitution
is not a covenant that binds individuals, but a foundational law that
binds the government.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org,
christ_saves_sinners <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> --- In email@example.com, Thomas Rocheare
> <tertullianus_2000@y...> wrote:
> > Various honest covenanter questions:
> > 1) Can the SL&C contain error? If it can, who has the
> > authority to recognize that error, and revise the
> > covenant, releasing those bound by that covenant from
> > continued adherence to those aspects now recognized as
> > false?
> > 2) Can the President of the USA, and/or the Congress
> > of the USA, bind Americans today and their posterity
> > with a new covenant? If not, why not?
> I agreed with all "gwm" said, and would like to add, has not the US
> already bound its citizens and their posterity to a Covenant? We
> bound, according to the US magistrate, to uphold the USConstitution
> and Bill of Rights. In other words, they seem to think so. If youthe
> are a US citizen, do you believe you are bound to the US
> Constitution? If not, why not?
> By the way, I am a US citizen, and do not believe I am bound to the
> US Constitution. It is an unlawful Constitution, not recognizing
> Christ as King, nor the promotion and protection of His religion,
> and it underminds a better covenant, namely the SL&C. If the US
> decided to start all over, and so the "new" Constitution was
> contained a lesser degree of quality and quantity, people would
> think that to be absurd. So do I believe it absurd for the US to
> ignore their covenant obligations by writing something to a lesser
> degree of quality and quantity. This does not make me unbound to
> lawful perpetual promises my fathers recognized were required of
> them in the Scriptures.
> Thanks for the sincere questions,
> -Shawn Anderson
> Albany CRPC