Re: [Covenanted Reformation] Question for Covenanters
I'm sorry, but I cannot help you much with this. I've done very
little research into the Irish side of things. I do notice that your
question seems to presuppose that in order for something to be
lawfully done in Ireland, representation at Parliament or at the
Assembly was necessary. I'm not sure the laws of the day presupposed
the same thing you're presupposing now. I did happen upon this link
from an Irish Reformed Presbyterian page:
Scan thru it, there is a section on the Covenant being sworn by the
Irish people (though perhaps not the caliber of people you may be
looking for... at any rate, you may find it interesting).
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, seamrog1935
> Who were the Commisioners or representatives from Ireland at theof
> Assembly? I can see Ireland being bound since the 1800's because
> its union with Britain in the 1800's. However, I have yet to finda
> list of lawful representatives from Ireland so that Ireland wasbound
> since the 1600's. Where can I find a list of email@example.com, "weeping_calvinist"
> representatives? Thanks.
> --- In
> <raging.calvinist@v...> wrote:can
> > > Would anyone else care to offer an answer to my question below.
> > > Thanks in advance.
> > You're welcome.
> > The Covenant mentioned is the Solemn League and Covenant, which
> > be read here: http://www.truecovenanter.com/slcov.htm . Inshort,
> > it binds the Reformed Churches in England, Ireland, and Scotland,to
> > uniformity in Religion as outlined in the Westminster Standards,
> > opposition to all things contrary thereunto, and to support andpertained/pertain:
> > defend of the lawful magistrate and one another.
> > And the "We" refers to those to whom the Covenant
> > "We, noblemen, barons, knights, gentlemen, citizens, burgesses,
> > ministers of the Gospel, and commons of all sorts, in the
> > Scotland, England, and Ireland....we, and our posterity after
> > Covenanters take the above to include all "daughter nations" of
> > England and all Churches which descend from the Presbyterian
> > of Scotland (particularly).
> > Covenanters also affirm an obligation to the Scottish National
> > Covenant: http://www.truecovenanter.com/natcov.htm
> > I hope you find this helpful.
> > gmw.
- "By the way, I am a US citizen, and do not believe I am bound to the
Only the federal government was originally bound by the
Constitution. Today it is treated as if it also binds all state,
county, and munincipal governments as well. It still does not bind
individuals. Otherwise you'd be required to tolerate free speech and
the free excercise of religion in your own house! The Constitution
is not a covenant that binds individuals, but a foundational law that
binds the government.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org,
christ_saves_sinners <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> --- In email@example.com, Thomas Rocheare
> <tertullianus_2000@y...> wrote:
> > Various honest covenanter questions:
> > 1) Can the SL&C contain error? If it can, who has the
> > authority to recognize that error, and revise the
> > covenant, releasing those bound by that covenant from
> > continued adherence to those aspects now recognized as
> > false?
> > 2) Can the President of the USA, and/or the Congress
> > of the USA, bind Americans today and their posterity
> > with a new covenant? If not, why not?
> I agreed with all "gwm" said, and would like to add, has not the US
> already bound its citizens and their posterity to a Covenant? We
> bound, according to the US magistrate, to uphold the USConstitution
> and Bill of Rights. In other words, they seem to think so. If youthe
> are a US citizen, do you believe you are bound to the US
> Constitution? If not, why not?
> By the way, I am a US citizen, and do not believe I am bound to the
> US Constitution. It is an unlawful Constitution, not recognizing
> Christ as King, nor the promotion and protection of His religion,
> and it underminds a better covenant, namely the SL&C. If the US
> decided to start all over, and so the "new" Constitution was
> contained a lesser degree of quality and quantity, people would
> think that to be absurd. So do I believe it absurd for the US to
> ignore their covenant obligations by writing something to a lesser
> degree of quality and quantity. This does not make me unbound to
> lawful perpetual promises my fathers recognized were required of
> them in the Scriptures.
> Thanks for the sincere questions,
> -Shawn Anderson
> Albany CRPC