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Re: [Covenanted Reformation] Modesty for men.

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  • Gary Gearon
    Dear Mike, Yes, isn t wonderful to think how the Spirit can move over us all, in the assembly of the worshippers of our Father, the Body of Christ, in spirit
    Message 1 of 11 , Apr 25 6:07 AM
      Dear Mike,
       
      Yes, isn't wonderful to think how the Spirit can move over us all, in the assembly of the worshippers of our Father, the Body of Christ, in spirit and in truth. I am glad you agree.
       
      Good to hear from you!
       
      Gary
       
       
      ----- Original Message -----
      Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 8:07 AM
      Subject: Re: [Covenanted Reformation] Modesty for men.

      Dear Gary,

      Hmmmm.  Let me say that I definitely would not exclude it, just that I have not thought of mediation in that way.  Certainly makes the public assembly more precious to view it this way - thank you for this little treasure.

      Hope to hear more from you.

      Cheerio (again), Mike

       Gary Gearon <GGearon@...> wrote:

      Dear Mike,
       
      I do not see how they are a only private until uttered by the mouth, in a public context. I believe that the Blessed Spirit, can move upon the entire group of worshippers, in the same way. Speaking the same thing to them, as the  Body of Christ. Wouldn't you say this is feasible, and to exclude such action on God's part,is not proper?
       
      Thanks for the weather report!
       
      It was snowing in Pa. and CT. yesterday...
       
      Cheerios, for you and me!
       
      Gary
      ----- Original Message -----
      Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 8:07 AM
      Subject: Re: [Covenanted Reformation] Modesty for men.

      Thanks Gary,

      I appreciate your patience with me.  In answer, by order of question;

      What are public meditations?  By nature, all are private, until they are uttered by the mouth. (I do not mean to argue over a word)

      I certainly agree that God has not exclusively limited us to His Word.

      No, I do not mean to suggest that only the Holy Ghost can reveal these truths - why even an unbelieving anthropologist can see the little hints and references revealing the dress code of the ancients.  And I would not even be suggesting that all zealous mimicking of detail (re our subject) would be the result of the Blessed Spirit.  What I am suggesting is that if I notice that there is a relationship between a code/custom mentioned in the Scriptures to the Law of God, then it is sensible for me to give it some serious cogitation and maybe application.  For example, in the description of our dear Lord and Saviour in Rev. 1:13, I notice the words, "clothed with a garment down to the foot".  And the question arises in my mind, why this detail?  And fear not, I am not wearing a robe down to my feet!!!  (bigger chuckle)  But my pants do go down to my feet.

      The weather in Australia is dry, and a little warm for autumn.  Tomorrow is forecast to be foggy in the morning, then clearing to a mild sunny afternoon of 22 deg C (at least in my habitat).

      Cheerio, Mike

       Gary Gearon <GGearon@...> wrote:

      Hi Mike,
       
      My apologies, there is my responses for you below (Gary:) ...
       
      Thanks,
       
      Gary

      Dear Mike,
       
      :-) (chuckle back)
       
      Thank you for your further and more enlightening explanation.

      Dear Gary,

      I am obviously no match for your logic, Gary! (chuckle)

      Indeed, private gleanings from Scripture can be shrugged aside as too subjective, but are not our private meditations the most precious?

      Gary: Well depends...wouldn't you say public meditations can be equally precious? 

        Are they not the means by which the Holy Ghost teaches us at the intimate level? 

      Gary: Sure, but I do not necesarily restrict it to private or public (not saying you do either my friend)

      And is it not proper to hold those little things we notice in Scripture as our own treasured attainments, paying attention to EVERY WORD and detail. 

      Gary: Surely a blessing!

      Certainly, I would hold such "subjective" views in higher regard than the light of nature, because I noticed them in the Word of God.  This is what I mean, dear friend.

      Gary: Very well then, however, in some things pertaining to Truth, we do not only need the Word of God. After all, the early Church relied on some traditions, as recorded in Scripture, and they did not have the whole canon of Scripture only (only parts of the NT and the traditions that Paul passed on, as noted in the Word of God)

      But I hold to the view that private interpretations made from an Objective source document do not spontaneously become Subjective, but if valid and true, remain objective (though unnoticed by some).  Do you agree with me, Gary?

      Gary: Are you meaning that the Holy Spirit must, or will lead them to understand the objective source document, and without the Blessed Third Person of the Trinity they will not, or cannot? That this is why it is unnoticed in its Objective (Source Document) truth? I do believe the Light of Nature is denied by some, or that you could say they walk around with the proverbial "lamp shade over their head."   Hey now there's a headcovering for you! :-)

      Your friend, Mike

      Gary: Your friend, Gary

      P.S. - You are an Aussie, aren't you? How's the weather there?

       Gary <GGearon@...> wrote:

      Hello Mike,

      Mike wrote:

      "And I would suggest that the Word of God would be a more objective
      source document than the Light of Nature."

      Gary responds:

      Please explain...Do you mean a "personal" interpretation of the
      Scripture, based on Sola Scriptura? I do not see what you mean
      by "more objective," if subjectively interpreted..

      Thanks friend,

      Gary





      --- In covenantedreformationclub@yahoogroups.com, Mike Shevy
      <investig11@y...> wrote:
      >
      > Martin and Gary,
      > I would commend Martin's questions as dealing with practical
      godliness in close keeping with our duty to remain unspotted from
      this world.
      > Personally, I would answer YES to all your questions, Martin, and
      would be happy to testify that there are men who do pay close
      attention to this detail in their Christian profession.
      > And I would suggest that the Word of God would be a more objective
      source document than the Light of Nature.
      > Michael
      >  Gary Gearon <GGearon@p...> wrote:Hi Martin, Is this preparation
      for courtship? I would first ask the father of the girl, what he
      would like you to wear, and go from there. I do not recommend
      sandals, or earrings, on the first meet. Let the father know, that
      he has your respect. That's a good place to start! Not to speak
      infallibly, but a good rule is to stick to the "light of nature,"
      and the father will probably feel safe handing his daughter over to
      you (with a chaperone, of course).  :-) Garynonymous----- Original
      Message ----- From: Martin To:
      covenantedreformationclub@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 14,
      2003 12:41 AMSubject: [Covenanted Reformation] Modesty for men.
      > Hi Gary, I've become a bit more curious on how you or others on
      this list view modesty as it pertains to men, a few questions I have
      would be: 1)  Is it immodest for men to go shirtless in public
      places where there may be women?2)  Should men wear shirts with
      sleeves which go past the elbow as not to reveal their
      biceps/triceps?3)  Should men have their shirts buttoned or
      otherwise cover their chest up to the collar bone?4)  Should men's
      shorts go below the knee?5)  Should men avoid tight fitting
      clothing? Thanks, Martin
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