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  • andrew clements
    Dear Kevin, here here. You explained it beautifully. Thankyou for your reply and for sparing me the time to write back. You re right in defending sola
    Message 1 of 27 , Jan 6, 2003
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      Dear Kevin,
      here here. You explained it beautifully. Thankyou for your reply
      and for sparing me the time to write back. You're right in defending sola
      spripture in such a way, particularly with regards to such a contentious
      issue.

      Andrew Clements





      >From: "objkofmersee <objkofmersee@...>" <objkofmersee@...>
      >Reply-To: covenantedreformationclub@yahoogroups.com
      >To: covenantedreformationclub@yahoogroups.com
      >Subject: Re: [Covenanted Reformation] head-coverings
      >Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 02:52:24 -0000
      >
      >
      >
      >Hello Cathie--
      >
      >
      > > I am wondering if you know that John Calvin had his head covered
      >much of the
      > > worship service and that later reformers like Rutherford talks of
      >the hats
      > > that men wear during their worship service as well, not to mention
      >that the
      > > early Jewish men converts continued to wear their prayer caps....
      >
      >
      >"_Any_ man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors
      >his head" (1 Cor 11:4).
      >
      >
      > >
      > > This subject is much deeper and more complex than merely looking at
      >the
      > > passage in Corinthians...
      >
      >
      >Be careful here. The line of reasoning you employ above is a slippery
      >slope. Why is Corinthians insufficient, I ask? What is it about the
      >Pauline treatment of the matter which lacks credibility? He does not
      >leave us wondering as to the basis of the apostolic position. To
      >ascribe the strictures regarding the head covering to culture is
      >to blatantly and baldly ignore the apostle's own explanation of the
      >matter. He _expressly_ grounds the necessity of a head covering
      >for women in *_nature_*. Paul appeals to nature, the universal order
      >of things, in this requirement for Christian women. It has nothing
      >whatsever to do with culture. The laws of nature are not subject to
      >the vicissitudes of time.
      >
      >
      >
      > >for we must not be hasty and bring censure upon the
      > > fathers(reformers) of the church.
      >
      >
      >Nor ought we to honor them before the Word of God, my friend. If
      >holding fast to the sacred Text brings me into conflict with the
      >revered men of the Church, then so be it. My conscience is bound
      >by the infallible Scripture alone; help me, Lord. I have learned
      >much from Calvin and Knox and the rest, but may it never be that
      >I should appeal to them as some kind of infallible priesthood.
      >They themselves would not tolerate such veneration.
      >
      >
      >
      > >Have you had time to read over the link
      > > that Leah provided?
      >
      >
      >I've looked at several articles and pieces of articles to this point.
      >Sorry, but I don't recall who sent me where and through what link
      >just now, but they all seem to come down to this point:
      >
      >-Not all the commands of the apostles are universal-
      >
      >Okay, that may be so, but you can't just state that as a fact without
      >providing some criteria for judging one command to be universal and
      >another to be passing. There was never any criteria given that I
      >could discern. Moreover, as I noted above, those who deny the need
      >for women's head coverings have the added burden of dealing with the
      >ground of the apostle's position, which is _the nature of things_,
      >*the unchanging order of creation*. An appeal to time periods and
      >cultural conditioning (social psychology, as someone lately termed
      >it) is too shallow and cannot stand before the deeply rooted argument
      >(in the very order of creation) of the apostle Paul.
      >
      >
      >Wishing you a pleasant evening, Cathie.
      >
      >Kevin
      >
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