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  • Soles
    Dear Gary, Did you get this post, I would still like to hear your answer. plus prior to this I had asked paste: Gary you have left me with the impression that
    Message 1 of 1 , Jan 6, 2003
      Dear Gary,
       
      Did you get this post, I would still like to hear your answer.
       
      plus prior to this I had asked
      paste:
       
      Gary you have left me with the impression that it is far worse for a woman to not have her hair covered than her breast...please tell me I'm wrong.....
       
      ~cis~
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Soles
      Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 3:21 PM
      Subject: Re: [Covenanted Reformation] It ought not to be so!!!!

      Dear Gary,
       
      You are not saying that the dog was in church was he?.....or is this a family situation?....and how do you know that the painter did not take some liberties with his imagination? What do you mean Jody would not have gotten any catechizing if she lived back then...her father and I have taught her....your point was not clear. The gospel of course is presented to the nations whether they at first have not enough clothes on or not. 
       
      I think as Grant did that those who remove their clothes in public are  regarding themselves as innocent and dress accordingly. They
      don't understand themselves to
      be under wrath.
       
      ~Cathie~
      ----- Original Message -----
      Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 12:45 PM
      Subject: Re: [Covenanted Reformation] It ought not to be so!!!!

      Dear Cathie,
       
      If that be so, than your dear Jody would not have gotten much cathechizing, were she to have lived back then! See the cover of "The Shorter Catechism Explained," by Thomas Vincent- Banner of Truth.
       
      There you will see an infant sucking at the breast of his loving mother, in full view of all (including children, oh, and the dog, of course).
       
      I was merely speaking of a cultural incident, wherein women made a priority of covering their heads, instead of their bare upper torso (as the report was related to me), when a man walked by, while the women were all nursing. This was part of their culture, custom and nature. I am not recommending this to anyone of a different social context and custom, of course. Why do you think that women from some countries, do not have a problem with being exposed like that in some parts of the world? It is just not considered inappropriate in some contexts i.e., situationally. I know there are some anthropological books with photos of women with bare upper torso's, that have long headgear on, as though this were natural to them; without a covering for their upper torso. So, do you think a missionary ought ot avoid sharing the gospel with them? I know you wouldn't.
       
      Peace, in Christ, 
       
      GG
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Soles
      Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 3:01 PM
      Subject: [Covenanted Reformation] It ought not to be so!!!!

      For Gary Gearon,
       
      This was previously posted to covenanters in the summer so is being pasted.
       
      Gary it fits your statements on it being natural in some countries for women to be bare above the waist...It ought not be so!!!!! even when feeding the baby...   asked Grant here if he ever got a glimpse of me during the years that I nursed our five girls, staying in the worship service...sitting beside him...Grant's response was no, you always pinned the blanket at the top of your shoulder first.....
       
      Gary you have left me with the impression that it is far worse for a woman to not have her hair covered than her breast...please tell me I'm wrong.....if I had a book with a picture as you described of covenanters with the woman feeding her child in my home, Jody would have taken and cut out some black tape and fashioned some kind of cover for the woman's nakedness...Jody did that with our World Books... lol
       
      ~cis~
       
       
      pasted:
       
      Here is Grant's response:

      Biblical 4 rule dress code: suggested by Grant A. Soles

      1. cover up Gen.3.. fig leaves aren't enough
      2. keep your body parts in Deut. Tie up the laces
      3. no cross-dressing between sexes. Could this extend to men not dressing in
      same type of clothes....
      4. dress in keeping within the bounds of present culture eg. No burkqa in
      NAmer. and probably not
          the east either, if it is a muslim symbol. Cause no offense. Especially
      on purpose.

      These are the general rules. They must be interpreted. The basic rule of
      interprtation for these rules is
      conservative judgement. There should be no running as close to the edge of
      any of the 4 general rules
      eg. Don't buy a tee shirt which exposes your navel. Don't put a ring in
      there to show off anyway.
       
      The more that people leave behind their Biblical underpinnings, the more
      they feel free to take off their
      clothes. They regard themselves as innocent and dress accordingly. They
      don't understand themselves to
      be under wrath.
      On the other hand Christians, seeing the realities of the
      unseen, cloth themselves as
      instructed eg. Col. 3 and corresponding dress physically according to the
      Biblical code.
      It is no real offense to anyone so dress this way.


      Grant

      typed by

      ~cis~


      Gary wrote:
       
      It seems topless is natural for women, in some parts of the world...


      Semi naked Mass in New Guinea? First off, if in a culture like that in
      Papua, many of the indigenous native women go topless as part of their daily
      life. Many still live in straw huts. People hunt for food with bows and
      arrows. All go barefooted. (You have seen similar pictures in National
      Geographic?) To criticize the Pope for not forcing every participant to
      dress up in western attire that meets our criteria is ridiculous. It shows
      the ignorance of those criticizing about what New Guinea is like.

      Just for a point of reference, here are a couple Protestant New Guinea
      missionaries' pages so that you can get a feel of what the culture is like
      there:


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