Re: [Covenanted Reformation] Re: Law of Nature
- When we were in the RPCNA for a couple of years, they had, at the church
where James R Wilson used to pastor i.e., Coldenham-Newburgh, NY (I think
he's buried there, and there is a tall memorial stone to him there that you
see when you pull in), they had a room with a view and audio for the
mothers. Nice set up. I wonder what the Christian mothers did in the
catacombs of Rome in the Early Church? My guess is they likely stayed with
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From: "Fredrick Fleming" <followerofhim2001@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 1:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Covenanted Reformation] Re: Law of Nature
> To be clear in this, let me ask you, we are talking
> about the worship of God and breast feeding. Now, may
> women have done this before. The have left the room,
> not the the bathroom. May church have put in rooms for
> mother to seat in and hear the minister. But, if you
> really think about it, you might leave the service for
> 20 minutes. You might have to set in the vestibule.
> When my children were growing up. I often took then
> outside. I told then that it was wrong to disrupt the
> service and then I brought then back in. I have known
> many mothers that would use a breast pump and the
> father would take the child out of the service and use
> mother milk to feed the child.
> All I am saying is there are ways to do this.
> Now do you really want to say, "I would rather cause
> someone else to stumble in there walk. I would rather
> see them fall, than to find another way of doing
> this"? Is the glory of Christ of so little honor, that
> you want the ungodly to speak against the church of
> My heart breaks to hear the reproahes of the world
> against the church of God. Let us strive to do what
> God says for us to do. If you can say with a clear
> heart, I know that what I am doing is to the glory of
> God. And I know that I am not doing something that
> will hurt others. Then I say, do it. But, if you find
> there are ways to do things that may be not so open,
> and you can say, I do this to the glory of God even
> those I have liberty, yet so as not to stuble my
> brother or the ungodly, you need to decide what you
> will do.
> "As he and my house, we will serve the Lord"
> --- "Susan <susan_wilkinson@...>"
> <susan_wilkinson@...> wrote:
> > I think for the sake of clarification we should all
> > be very clear what
> > we are advocating. Some (those against public
> > nursing) seem to be
> > assuming public exposure and some (those for) seem
> > to be assuming
> > absolute modesty. At least that's how it appears.
> > Fredrick, I do not think that anyone here is
> > advocating a woman should
> > nurse her child in public, exposed (please correct
> > me if I've mis-read
> > anyone). I believe what is being stated here is that
> > women should a.)
> > be discreet and modest (meaning they stay covered,
> > exposing nothing to
> > those around them) and b.) women should not be
> > shooed away into
> > private all the time they are nursing a child
> > (though there are times
> > when a fussy or fidgity baby will make that
> > necessary, no doubt).
> > Nursing women can spend as much as 6 hours a day
> > nursing a child.
> > Multiply that by many children in succession or
> > multiple children at
> > once and you have a woman who spends a lot of time
> > with a child at her
> > breast. That's a lot of time to spend in the
> > bathroom away from
> > society and the rest of life, not to mention a
> > woman's many other
> > duties.
> > If a woman is discreet and modest (as defined above)
> > what is the man
> > lusting after? The ~thought~ of nursing? If so, then
> > isn't that
> > evidence of his sin in perverting something God has
> > established
> > instead of evidence of the mother's sin? If not, and
> > if she has not
> > exposed herself, what is her crime?
> > Susan
> Looking unto Christ as Lord and Saviour. No one but Him will save me or
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- Well said, Susan. You really ought to write a book.
Susan <susan_wilkinson@...> wrote:
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> From: "Susan <susan_wilkinson@...>" <susan_wilkinson@...>
> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:37:31 -0000
> Subject: [Covenanted Reformation] Re: Law of Nature
> One can nurse, even publicly, without showing anything. I understand
> that our culture has perverted their perception of the female form
> into something ungodly, but we need to be careful of making an over
> correction and using the worlds perverseness as justification for
> needless exposure.
> --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Gary Gearon"
> <GGearon@p...> wrote:
>> I think the issue as to cleavage can also become legalistic.
> Revealed cleavage, needs to be assesed as to the motive (to attract
> immodestly, or for nursing).
>> I recall a story related to me, wherein a soldier walked by a
> maternity ward in an Arabic country. The women were breast feeding,
> with no upper garment, when a man walked by. They ran to cover their
> heads upon the sight of the man, and not their breasts...as you would
> expect in other parts of the "post-Christian" world. Also, if you have
> a copy of the Shorter Catechism Explained (Banner of Truth), you will
> see a woman with a bare breast and head covered, nursing her child in
> the Catechism class, on the front cover.
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