- Hey Jay!
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> I was just wondering what some of your thoughts were regardingwhat
> supernatural experiences that many people claim to have.
> You know things like "demonic presences" or "angel sightings".
> I personally tend to be incredibly skeptical of such things for
> I consider good Biblical reasons but perhaps I am wrong, I justfind
> it supiciously dangerous that people are so intensely interested inYour self-description sounds alot like me. I am a skeptic by nature,
> such things.
and I tend doubt or simply remain agnostic about certain experiences
people claim to have. However, I try to be careful not to completely
discount them either. After all, the Bible does tell us of demons
and angels, and even presents them as appearing before men every now
> Also what do you think of so-called medical miracles, like apersons
> cancer miraculously dissapearingor what not? Do you think these arewe
> from God? Or are we such so desperately looking for a 'sign' that
> are distracted from the Word of God.I'll tell you what... If I had cancer, and it suddenly disappeared, I
would, without delay, attribute it to the gracious and merciful God
of Heaven from Whom all good and perfect gifts come!
BUT... If such a healing were part signs and wonders performed by a
man preaching LIES, then, although it be a temporary blessing to the
one healed, I would reject the signs and wonders along with the false
teaching to which they attest.
> My one friend told a story of a friend of hers who lived in Africain
> an area of heavy witchcraft. She says that her friend was talkingto
> one of the ex-voodoo practitioners who told him of an account whereYeah, I know what you mean. I had some friends from Cambodia who had
> they, the witches, were going out to work evil on the home of a
> Christian family, and upon encountering the house the witches found
> it surrounded by a ring of flames that they could not cross.
> Of course when I suggested that this was more than likely entirely
> untrue and only served to foster more vain superstitions, I was
> attacked and shunned by the group, how dare I dare question the
> pathos driven experiential religion of the masses.
some spooky stories to tell. Could they be true? I suppose so. We
live in a part of the world that has been saturated by the Bible, but
there are still places where witchcraft, sorcery, and superstition
reign uncontended. Missionaries who have visited these areas often
have some amazing stories to tell. In college I heard of a man who
stumbled upon a snake in India... and the snake reportedly stood up
and spoke! While that seems far-fetched to my Western mind, I must
ask myself, "If I believe the Bible is true, why do I find it so hard
to accept the idea of talking snakes?"
Modern day "faith healers" are a joke. Do me a favor: If you can
heal people by touching them and blowing on them, take a walk through
a rehab or a hospital, or a hospice, and do some REAL healings for
people who really need it. No more of this "I had some pain in my
back, but now I can run back and forth just fine!"
Ya know, there are some stories about Martin Luther and other
Reformers healing people, prophesying, etc. Not exactly Benny Hinn,
but still quite interesting!
- Hey Jer!
(you owe me a re: by the way, if I remember ;)
>> Your self-description sounds alot like me. I am a skeptic bynature, and I tend doubt or simply remain agnostic about certain
experiences people claim to have. However, I try to be careful not
to completely discount them either. After all, the Bible does tell
us of demons and angels, and even presents them as appearing before
men every now and again.
Here's the thing, as revelation goes I consider myself a cessationist
(I grant I have not studied this extensively), I believe Rev.22:18 to
be God's declarative statement closing the Holy Canon and assuring us
of the end and fulfilment of Divine Revelation. When we look at the
visitation of angels in Scripture, from my understanding, they always
serve as God's messengers of His word, the word for angel in the
Bible meaning messenger. Now it would seem to me that a visionary
visitation of an angel is not neccesarry in this dipensation, in fact
it would seem to me to be against the Word of God.
As far a fallen angel visitation, that would seem very possible
given that we have examples from Scripture and that it is the game of
devils to decieve, although still here the activity of Satan is
limited, he being bound by Christ.
Well I have to go, I have more to say but it will have to wait.
Please let me know what you think, am I way off or what?
> Hey Jer!Oh! Thanks for the reminder, I'll get on it, bro.
> (you owe me a re: by the way, if I remember ;)
> Here's the thing, as revelation goes I consider myself aThe Angels are more than just messengers of God's Word. They also
> (I grant I have not studied this extensively), I believe Rev.22:18
> to be God's declarative statement closing the Holy Canon and
> assuring us of the end and fulfilment of Divine Revelation. When we
> look at the visitation of angels in Scripture, from my
> understanding, they always serve as God's messengers of His word,
> the word for angel in the Bible meaning messenger.
carry out His judgments (2 Sam. 24:16-17 -- David SAW the Angel);
They protect and deliver God's people (Acts 12:6-11 -- Peter SAW the
Angel; Daniel 6:22). The angels are all around us, and it may please
God at times to open our eyes to see them (as he did to Elisha: 2
Kings 6). And remember to be kind to strangers (Hebrews 13:2)!
Most of all... be very cautious because we know that the devil can
appear as an angel of light, and even "angelic encounters" need to be
weighed against Scripture (2 Corinthians 11:14; Galatians 1:8).
Check out those verses and let me know what you think, Jason.