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  • Randy Smith
    Ben & all, Please forgive me for posting this question on the group as opposed to emailing Ben personally, but I am not sure if I have his current address.
    Message 1 of 1 , Jul 2, 2009
      Ben & all, Please forgive me for posting this question on the group as opposed to emailing Ben personally, but I am not sure if I have his current address.  Anyway Ben, I was doing some cleaning today and ran across a video tape that your mom let me borrow many years ago.  I didn't realize I had never returned it to her.  I doubt whether the email address I have for her is current as it is from years ago.  If it wouldn't be too much trouble, would you please email me privately her current email address so I can contact her?  If you do not have it, our address is randssmith@...


      From: Ben Hart
      Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 10:59 AM
      To: covenantedreformationclub@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [Covenanted Reformation] Apologies

      Dear True Presbyterian,

      Although I have responded to you privately, I think it's important to do so publicly here as well.� I totally understand where you're coming from, and I have no gripe with you.� Thanks for being an example of being a humble peacemaker.


      On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 9:23 PM, truepresbyterian <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

      Dear List,

      I need to apologize to everyone for my post this morning. It is something which never should have been sent or even composed. I do not recede from the doctrinal positions asserted, the defence of truth, or my concern for the fact that such questions and positions are discussed in a public forum; but there was no need that I should address what had already been addressed by others, and the conclusion of the post was in tone and nature due to a misapprehension in my mind. The occasion will provide some explanatory context, and was this:

      When I looked at the forum this morning, I saw that there were 2 or 3 new messages counted in the 7-day activity status. Upon clicking to view the messages, I was given the messages in order from oldest to newest, thinking that I had the opposite order, with newest messages at the top. Consequently, it appeared to me that the 3 newest messages were 16767 by Ben, posing his questions on the Federal View of Imputation and two non-related messages from someone else, who I thought might have responded to Ben, but had apparently chose not to. In light of the recent history of the club, and a darkening memory of posts from more than a month ago (or perhaps I had never even read Ben's post 16767 originally,) it seemed to me that Ben was once again trying to pose questions to call in doubt what really ought not to be treated as a subject up for discussion among Reformed Christians, in a public discussion forum. It seemed he was proving Bob Suden exactly right in his concerns about Ben's actual intentions in raising such questions.

      Thus, my post.

      Consequently I need to ask forgiveness of

      Ben, for (1) thinking that you were intentionally re-stirring these debates, and accordingly (2) responding to you as one who had cast off faith in the truth of holy Scripture, and fundamental doctrines of the Gospel. This may have encouraged others to believe such things about you contrary to your profession. If you are sincerely only struggling, then I would not want to do that. I do think there was impropriety in your posts, insofar as they do appear to be arguing against the truth, and in favour of heresy. But others have already dealt with you about this.

      Bob Suden and others, for posting this call to repentance as if you had not attempted to correct Ben already. My intention was not to ignore what you had already written or treat it as insufficient.

      The List in general, for having possibly misled others into thinking that Ben had re-posted these arguments, and was seeking to confuse others or call in question the truth, when in reality he had decided not to carry on the discussion further.

      The Moderator, whom I enlisted to the expunging of messages which were not actually posted, on my behalf, because of my imaginary apprehensions. Also, for giving Ben a more legitimate occasion in your forum to identify the Reformed community as something of which he ought to have a waning opinion. I do not those with mere questions to feel unwelcome in a place where I know they are very welcome; and am sorry for giving occasion for this.

      Why the Lord left me this morning to my foolish misapprehensions to stumble and stir more trouble in the conversation, I cannot know. I hope I have dealt with my misdeed properly and that if anyone else has taken offense for any other reason, you will consider the circumstances described above once more, and let me know your thoughts. My hope was to help Ben to recognize the worthlessness of the arguments alleged against the Gospel, and the sinfulness of toying with them, as well as encouraging or occasioning others to do so. I also hoped to bring a full end to a discussion which, in reality, had already ended. In this regard I perfectly defeated my own purpose.

      Tr. Pr. - Repenting

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