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  • Ebenezer Erskine
    2008 ELECTION IS A REFERENDUM ON SOCIALISM   OBAMA S CHANGE = SOCIALISM & SERFDOM for Taxpayers   PLEASE click link below to see n ecellent slide show on
    Message 1 of 14 , Oct 27, 2008
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      2008 ELECTION IS A REFERENDUM ON SOCIALISM
       
      OBAMA'S 'CHANGE' = SOCIALISM & SERFDOM for Taxpayers
       
      PLEASE click link below to see n ecellent slide show on the consequences were Hussein Obama to be elected President of the USA.
       

      VOTE "NO" TO SOCIALISM !  VOTE FOR AMERICA FIRST !!
       
      A VOTE FOR OBAMA = VOTE YOURSELF INTO POVERTY WITH NO WAY OUT!!
       
      OBAMA PROMISES POVERTY AS DOMESTIC POLICY IS UNABASHED SOCIALISM!
       
      • YouTube: Obama Does Not Regret "Spread the Wealth" Comment
           http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kNVPZaj1sYA 
       
      OBAMA FOREIGN POLICY WOULD INVITE ATTACK BY AMERICA'S ENEMIES!!
       
      BIDEN SAYS OBAMA AS PRESIDENT GURANTEES AN ATTACK ON AMERICA!
       
      VP RUNNING MATE BIDEN WARNED LAST WEEK: OBAMA WILL BE TESTED BY US ENEMIES, AND IT WILL NOT BE APPARENT HE WILL DO THE RIGHT THING !!
       
      VOTING OBAMA IS SAME AS PAINTING A TARGET ON AMERICA !!!
      ...SAYS JOE BIDEN, HIS OWN RUNNING MATE !!
      _________________________________________________________________________
       
      "JOE THE PLUMBER" GOT OBAMA TO GO ON RECORD, ADMITING HE IS A SOCIALIST IN HIS OWN WORDS:
       
      OBAMA: "I'D RATHER SPREAD THE WEALTH AROUND."
       
      Obama Stands by His "Spread the Wealth" Comment
       
      • TIME: The Page: Obama: No Regrets for "Spread the Wealth" Remark
           http://tinyurl.com/5gehvq  
       
      • CNBC: Poll: Voters Against Obama 'Wealth Redistribution' Plan
           http://www.cnbc.com/id/27339578  
       
      • YouTube: Obama Does Not Regret "Spread the Wealth" Comment
           http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kNVPZaj1sYA 
      _________________________________________________________________________
       
      30% OF AMERICAN CITIZENS PAY NO TAXES AND OBAMA IS THEIR CHAMPION!
       
      ASSSUMING THE 30% NON-TAXPAYERS ALL REGISTER & VOTE OBAMA,
       
      IF ONLY 30% OF THE 70% WHO PAY TAXES VOTE FOR OABAMA, THAT'S 21%
       
      30 + 21  =  51%
       
      LESS THAN A THIRD OF TAXPAYERS VOTING OBAMA WILL DOOM AMERICA TO SERFDOM! 
       
      [image]
      [img]http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/ticket_main.jpg[/img] 
       
      CLICK  TO SEE PHOTO: "THE TICKET FOR AMERICA" 
       http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/ticket_main.jpg
      _________________________________________________________________________
       
      OBAMA's 'Change' = SOCIALISM / SERFDOM / SLAVERY TO STATE
       
      [image]
      [img]http://store.barackobama.com/v/vspfiles/photos/PO26840-2T.jpg[/img]
       
       [image]
      [img]http://a1055.g.akamai.net/f/1055/1401/5h/images.barnesandnoble.com/images/14290000/14293196.JPG[/img]
       
      see Book Cover image:  http://tinyurl.com/5uccbu  
       
      SOCIALISM  =  "THE ROAD TO SERFDOM"
       
      PLEASE READ THE BOOK: "THE ROAD TO SERFDOM"
       
      by Friedrich A. Hayek, Milton Friedman (Introduction)
      (University of Chicago Press, Oct 1994) ISBN-13: 9780226320595
      The definitive modern devasting refutation of Socialism, the best since Ludvid Von Mises' original "(Vs.) SOCIALISM" (1922).
      _________________________________________________________________________
       
      Obama's Socialist Agenda -- Is Anyone Listening?
       
      Posted By Bobby Eberle On October 14, 2008 at 6:38 am 
       
      Outside of stump speeches, carefully scripted responses to reporters, and the endless recitation of talking points, there are a few moments when a politician speaks from the heart. It is in these moments when true motivations and core beliefs are often revealed.
      Such a moment occurred this past weekend, when Barack Obama unveiled his socialist leanings and gave a clue to the American people about what Obama is all about.
       
      But, are the American people listening?
       
      Have they become so duped by the rhetoric of "hope" and "change" that they don't see the train wreck that's about to happen?
       
      Our freedoms are already being taken away as government continues to grow.
       
      If Obama gets elected, the subtleties will be thrown out the window as blatant socialism will rule the day.
       
      Just read Obama's response to a plumber's question in Ohio...

      As reported by Fox News, during a campaign event in Ohio, Obama was peppered with questions from a local plumber who asked, "Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn't it?" The plumber was complaining (as I often do) that he is "being taxed more and more for fulfilling the American dream."
       
      Obama's response? He gave the plumber a classic dose of socialism:
      "It's not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they've got a chance for success too," Obama responded. "My attitude is that if the economy's good for folks from the bottom up, it's gonna be good for everybody ... I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."
       
      Spread the wealth around? This is America, isn't it? Redistributing the "wealth" is a classic tenet of Marxist philosophy. Communist China, the former Soviet Union, Cuba, and so on.... they all believe in government ownership of basically everything. Hard work, initiative, expertise... none of that is rewarded. Instead, the efforts of the talented and the hard-working are taken from them and given to those who don't work as hard.
       
      The result is a decrease in productivity, not to mention the self-fulfillment that comes from being rewarded for a job well done. And this is exactly what Barack Obama wants to do!
       
      John McCain needs to get the message out on EXACTLY how he and Barack Obama are different. Yes, there should be tax cuts, and they should be for all Americans.
       
      Everytime Obama speaks about tax cuts, he only talks about cutting taxes for a particular group or segment of society. It is social engineering at its worst.
       
      Obama and the "govermennt" will decide how to redistribute the wealth of this country. McCain needs to hammer this!!!
       
      My question to Obama is this... How do you make the economy good "for folks at the bottom up" without injecting more government into the picture or letting capitalism work?
       
      Does Obama really understand the essence of America? It is strong because of the American spirit of invention and the bravery to undertake new endeavors. Those at the
      economic bottom DO NOT create jobs. Those at the economic bottom get hired for jobs.
       
      When the economy is robust, more jobs are created, thus more people get hired. There's not a business existing in America today that doesn't want to "do more business." In order to grow, more workers must be hired, and more capital purchased... both of which benefit the economy. Doesn't Obama understand this???
       
      Let's just do a little simple math to see how taxes really work. Let's say there is a person making $50,000/year and paying 15% in federal income tax. Thus, the person's yearly tax burden is $7,500. If someone making $1,000,000/year paid at the same tax rate, they would pay $150,000 in taxes. So, the person making $50,000 pays $7,500, and the person making a million pays $150,000. Those who make more money, pay more in taxes. It's only logical.
       
      However, that is not how a socialist thinks. Rather than each person truly paying "their fair share," the socialist says that the "rich" person should not only pay more because he or she makes more, but they should also pay a higher percentage. So, the person making $1,000,000/year instead pays 35% in taxes for a tax bill of $350,000. That's an extra $200,000 that the government takes out of circulation to pay for their social engineering.
       
      My contention is this, there is basically nothing that the individual with an extra $200k as his/her disposal could do that is "bad" for the economy. The person could save it, thus giving banks more leverage to do business. The person could invest it, thus helping new or established companies grow. The person could donate some to charity, thus helping organizations at the grassroots level do things more efficiently than the federal government could ever hope to.
       
      Or, God forbid, the person could simply go out and buy stuff. Two hundred thousand dollars of stuff is a lot of stuff! Imagine all that cash injected into society. Talk about a stimulus package. More goods being purchased, whether it is cars, clothes, furniture, food, or whatever, means that more jobs will be needed to produce those goods. It's as simple as that.
       
      The problem is that Obama uses the politics of "trickle down economics" to pit one socio-economic group against another. It is typical class warfare, and it is un-American. Someone (McCain) needs to meet this head on and use some "straight talk." There is no "trickle down" theory. The more money that is in the hands of those who make the money, and outside the clutches of government, benefits the entire society instantly. There is nothing to trickle down. When all Americans are treated fairly, we all benefit. That is the American way!
       
      Investor's Business Daily describes Obama as "the most anti-capitalist politician ever nominated by a major party." In their editorial, IBD describes the Obama/liberal agenda as follows:
       
      It starts with a tax system right out of Marx: A massive redistribution of income -- from each according to his ability, to each according to his need -- all in the name of "neighborliness," "patriotism," "fairness" and "justice."
       
      It continues with a call for a new world order that turns its back on free trade, has no problem with government controlling the means of production, imposes global taxes to support continents where our interests are negligible, signs on to climate treaties that will sap billions more in U.S. productivity and wealth, and institutes an authoritarian health care system that will strip Americans' freedoms and run up costs.
       
      All the while, it ensures that nothing -- absolutely nothing -- will be done to secure a sufficient, terror-proof supply of our economic lifeblood -- oil -- a resource we'll need much more of in the years ahead.
       
      McCain needs to board the Straight Talk Express and let the American people know what Obama is all about, and how McCain is different. Make no mistake, Sen. McCain, an Obama administration IS scary. You should be scared too. You should also hit Obama hard every single time he engages in socialist rhetoric.
       
      All people are capable of abusing the system, and as we've seen lately, both Republicans and Democrats are capable of greed and corruption. But it is not the American way to punish initiative and ingenuity. It is not "patriotic" to pay more taxes.
       
      All Americans should pay less taxes! In tough economic times, the last thing you want to do is hurt business producers.
       
      Who is going to create the jobs? The government? 
       
       
      SOCIALISM  =  SERFDOM (SLAVERY)
       
      SEE DEFINITVE ARGUMENTS VS SOCIALISM BY THE AUSTRIAN VON MISES & AMERICAN HAYEK, BOTH GIANTS OF AUSTRIAN FREE MARKET ECONOMICS
       
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      LUDWIG VON MISES (Austrian) and The VON MISES INSTITUTE
       
      Q: Who Is Ludwig von Mises?
      A: The European champion of a Free Market Economy & Founder of "The Austrian School" of Economics, which included the American Friederich A Hayek
      http://www.mises.org/mises.asp
       
         > > >  "SOCIALISM,"   by Ludwig Von Mises, 1922 < < <
       
      The definitive case against socialism, this work proved to be prophetic in forcasting the collapse of the USSR in the early 1990s.
       
      USED HARDBACKS @ AMAZON: http://tinyurl.com/2cpyvg
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      First published in 1922, the complete text of Mises's work is ON-LINE, Fully searchable.
      Socialism: An Economic and Sociological Analysis
      _________________________________________________________________________
       
      LEARN MORE HERE: 
      Shocking 1995 Obama Audio Found  http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/

      Senator Government Stands by "Spread the Wealth Around"
           http://tinyurl.com/5o84co  
       
       
      AP-Obama Hides Results of Their Own Poll in Their Story on the Poll
       
      The Truth: This is a Close Election
       
      CNN Lies to Damage McCain
       
      Biden: CEO Pensions "Go First" (And Your 401(k) Will Go Next)
       
      [image]
      [img]http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/ticket_main.jpg[/img]

      CLICK  TO SEE PHOTO: "THE TICKET FOR AMERICA" 
       http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/ticket_main.jpg 
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      [img]http://store.barackobama.com/v/vspfiles/photos/PO26840-2T.jpg[/img]
       
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      [img]http://a1055.g.akamai.net/f/1055/1401/5h/images.barnesandnoble.com/images/14290000/14293196.JPG[/img]
       
      Q: ARE YOU AS IGNORANT OF HISTORY AS HUSSEIN OBAMA ? 
       
      Q: OR DO YOU JUST CHOSE TO IGNORE WHAT HISTORY CLEARLY TEACHES THE WORLD,
      SO THAT YOUR CHILDREN & GRANDCHILDREN SUFFER THE SAME MISTAKE OF DEGRADING POVERTY WHICH COULD HAVE EASILY BEEN AVOIDED BY HEEDING HISTORY.
       
      SOCIALISM HAS RUINED EVERY NATION THAT HAS TRIED IT!
      eg: GERMANY, ITALY, USSR, FRANCE etc etc
       
      THE ONLY WAY COMMUNIST NATIONS ESCAPE THE POVERTY OF SOCIALISM IS TO PRACTICE CAPITALISM:  eg: CHINA
       
      Do you ralize that every nation America has fought in a major conflict in the past 80 years has had the word "SOCIALIST" in the name of that nation ? Including both NAZI Germany and the USSR, North Vietnam, Cambodia, etc  etc:
       
      "NAZI" meant "The National SOCIALIST Party"
       
      U.S.S.R. =  "United Soviet SOCIALIST Republic"
       
      SOCIALISM IS EQUALLY DANGEROUS WHETHER COMMUNIST OR FACIST VARIETY!!
       
      EVERY COMMUNIST NATION USES THE WORD "SOCIALIST" TO DESCRIBE ITSELF!!
      AND OBAMA EMBRACES SOCIALISM WITHOUT APOLOGY !!
       
      DESPITE FACT THAT EVERY KIA MILITARY VET HAS DIED FIGHTING VS SOCIALISM!
      WHEN YOU FEEL THE EARTH MOVE IF OBAMA IS ELECTED, IT WILL BE ALL THE MILLIONS OF DEAD VETS ROLLING OVER IN THEIR GRAVES !!
       
      BETRAYED BY IDIOT POSTERITY, VOTING FOR WHAT THEY DIED FIGHTING AGAINST.
       
      ==========================================================================
       
      Foundation for Economic Education (FEE)
       
      In 1946 Leonard E. Read brought together a group of dedicated individuals and launched the Foundation for Economic Education, (FEE) - the oldest free-market organization in the United States, to promote the “first principles:” the sanctity of private property, constitutionally limited government, the rule of law, free enterprise, free trade, market competition, and the moral superiority of individual choice and responsibility over coercion.
       
      +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
       
      PLEASE CLICK THE LINK BELOW TO SEE AN EXCELLENT SLIDE SHOW:

      "The RISE of the United Socialist States of America (USSA)"

      http://oldbluewebdesigns.com/USSA.htm


      OBAMA PLANS TO DISARM AMERICA !!

      http://macsmind.com/wordpress/2008/02/27/obama-plans-to-disarm-america/


      UPDATE: Also see new more clearer and longer video here.

      http://macsmind.com/wordpress/2008/06/08/obama-wants-to-protect-america/

      Protecting American by Disarming Her. Right.

      Perhaps American needs protecting…from him.


      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Moral_Conservatism/


      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Moral_Conservatism/join


      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Moral_Conservatism/messages

    • puritanstorm
      Yeah, its about socialism alright... Our choice is between socialism (Democrats) and national socialism (Republicans). Don t vote. The lesser of two evils (and
      Message 2 of 14 , Oct 29, 2008
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        Yeah, its about socialism alright...

        Our choice is between socialism (Democrats) and national socialism
        (Republicans).

        Don't vote. The lesser of two evils (and I'm not sure which one is
        worse) is still evil.

        --- In covenantedreformationclub@yahoogroups.com, Ebenezer Erskine
        <ebenezer_erskine@...> wrote:
        >
        > 2008 ELECTION IS A REFERENDUM ON SOCIALISM
        >  
        > OBAMA'S 'CHANGE' = SOCIALISM & SERFDOM for Taxpayers
        >  
        > PLEASE click link below to see n ecellent slide show on the
        consequences were Hussein Obama to be elected President of the USA.
        >  
        >          http://oldbluewebdesigns.com/USSA.htm%c2%a0
        >
        > VOTE "NO" TO SOCIALISM !  VOTE FOR AMERICA FIRST !!
        >  
        > A VOTE FOR OBAMA = VOTE YOURSELF INTO POVERTY WITH NO WAY OUT!!
        >  
        > OBAMA PROMISES POVERTY AS DOMESTIC POLICY IS UNABASHED SOCIALISM!
        >  
        > • YouTube: Obama Does Not Regret "Spread the Wealth" Comment
        >      http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kNVPZaj1sYA%c2%a0
        >  
        > OBAMA FOREIGN POLICY WOULD INVITE ATTACK BY AMERICA'S ENEMIES!!
        >  
        > BIDEN SAYS OBAMA AS PRESIDENT GURANTEES AN ATTACK ON AMERICA!
        >  
        > VP RUNNING MATE BIDEN WARNED LAST WEEK: OBAMA WILL BE TESTED BY US
        ENEMIES, AND IT WILL NOT BE APPARENT HE WILL DO THE RIGHT THING !!
        >  
        > VOTING OBAMA IS SAME AS PAINTING A TARGET ON AMERICA !!!
        > ...SAYS JOE BIDEN, HIS OWN RUNNING MATE !!
        >
        _________________________________________________________________________
        >  
        > "JOE THE PLUMBER" GOT OBAMA TO GO ON RECORD, ADMITING HE IS A
        SOCIALIST IN HIS OWN WORDS:
        >  
        > OBAMA: "I'D RATHER SPREAD THE WEALTH AROUND."
        >  
        > Obama Stands by His "Spread the Wealth" Comment
        >  
        > • TIME: The Page: Obama: No Regrets for "Spread the Wealth" Remark
        >      http://tinyurl.com/5gehvq%c2%a0%c2%a0
        >  
        > • CNBC: Poll: Voters Against Obama 'Wealth Redistribution' Plan
        >      http://www.cnbc.com/id/27339578%c2%a0%c2%a0
        >  
        > • YouTube: Obama Does Not Regret "Spread the Wealth" Comment
        >      http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kNVPZaj1sYA%c2%a0
        >
        _________________________________________________________________________
        >  
        > 30% OF AMERICAN CITIZENS PAY NO TAXES AND OBAMA IS THEIR CHAMPION!
        >  
        > ASSSUMING THE 30% NON-TAXPAYERS ALL REGISTER & VOTE OBAMA,
        >  
        > IF ONLY 30% OF THE 70% WHO PAY TAXES VOTE FOR OABAMA, THAT'S 21%
        >  
        > 30 + 21  =  51%
        >  
        > LESS THAN A THIRD OF TAXPAYERS VOTING OBAMA WILL DOOM AMERICA TO
        SERFDOM! 
        >  
        >
        > [img]http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/ticket_main.jpg%5b/img] 
        >  
        > CLICK  TO SEE PHOTO: "THE TICKET FOR AMERICA" 
        >  http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/ticket_main.jpg
        >
        _________________________________________________________________________
        >  
        > OBAMA's 'Change' = SOCIALISM / SERFDOM / SLAVERY TO STATE
        >  
        >
        >
        [img]http://store.barackobama.com/v/vspfiles/photos/PO26840-2T.jpg%5b/img]
        >  
        >  
        >
        [img]http://a1055.g.akamai.net/f/1055/1401/5h/images.barnesandnoble.com/images/14290000/14293196.JPG%5b/img]

        >  
        > see Book Cover image:  http://tinyurl.com/5uccbu%c2%a0%c2%a0
        >  
        > SOCIALISM  =  "THE ROAD TO SERFDOM"
        >  
        > PLEASE READ THE BOOK: "THE ROAD TO SERFDOM"
        >  
        > by Friedrich A. Hayek, Milton Friedman (Introduction)
        > (University of Chicago Press, Oct 1994) ISBN-13: 9780226320595
        > The definitive modern devasting refutation of Socialism, the best
        since Ludvid Von Mises' original "(Vs.) SOCIALISM" (1922).
        > http://tinyurl.com/2ysmug
        >
        _________________________________________________________________________
        >  
        > Obama's Socialist Agenda -- Is Anyone Listening?
        >  
        > Posted By Bobby Eberle On October 14, 2008 at 6:38 am 
        > http://www.gopusa.com/theloft/wp-print.php?p=802%c2%a0
        >  
        > Outside of stump speeches, carefully scripted responses to
        reporters, and the endless recitation of talking points, there are a
        few moments when a politician speaks from the heart. It is in these
        moments when true motivations and core beliefs are often revealed.
        > Such a moment occurred this past weekend, when Barack Obama unveiled
        his socialist leanings and gave a clue to the American people about
        what Obama is all about.
        >  
        > But, are the American people listening?
        >  
        > Have they become so duped by the rhetoric of "hope" and "change"
        that they don't see the train wreck that's about to happen?
        >  
        > Our freedoms are already being taken away as government continues to
        grow.
        >  
        > If Obama gets elected, the subtleties will be thrown out the window
        as blatant socialism will rule the day.
        >  
        > Just read Obama's response to a plumber's question in Ohio...
        >
        > As reported by Fox News, during a campaign event in Ohio, Obama was
        peppered with questions from a local plumber who asked, "Your new tax
        plan is going to tax me more, isn't it?" The plumber was complaining
        (as I often do) that he is "being taxed more and more for fulfilling
        the American dream."
        >  
        > Obama's response? He gave the plumber a classic dose of socialism:
        > "It's not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make
        sure that everybody who is behind you, that they've got a chance for
        success too," Obama responded. "My attitude is that if the economy's
        good for folks from the bottom up, it's gonna be good for everybody
        ... I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."
        >  
        > Spread the wealth around? This is America, isn't it? Redistributing
        the "wealth" is a classic tenet of Marxist philosophy. Communist
        China, the former Soviet Union, Cuba, and so on.... they all believe
        in government ownership of basically everything. Hard work,
        initiative, expertise... none of that is rewarded. Instead, the
        efforts of the talented and the hard-working are taken from them and
        given to those who don't work as hard.
        >  
        > The result is a decrease in productivity, not to mention the
        self-fulfillment that comes from being rewarded for a job well done.
        And this is exactly what Barack Obama wants to do!
        >  
        > John McCain needs to get the message out on EXACTLY how he and
        Barack Obama are different. Yes, there should be tax cuts, and they
        should be for all Americans.
        >  
        > Everytime Obama speaks about tax cuts, he only talks about cutting
        taxes for a particular group or segment of society. It is social
        engineering at its worst.
        >  
        > Obama and the "govermennt" will decide how to redistribute the
        wealth of this country. McCain needs to hammer this!!!
        >  
        > My question to Obama is this... How do you make the economy good
        "for folks at the bottom up" without injecting more government into
        the picture or letting capitalism work?
        >  
        > Does Obama really understand the essence of America? It is strong
        because of the American spirit of invention and the bravery to
        undertake new endeavors. Those at the
        > economic bottom DO NOT create jobs. Those at the economic bottom get
        hired for jobs.
        >  
        > When the economy is robust, more jobs are created, thus more people
        get hired. There's not a business existing in America today that
        doesn't want to "do more business." In order to grow, more workers
        must be hired, and more capital purchased... both of which benefit the
        economy. Doesn't Obama understand this???
        >  
        > Let's just do a little simple math to see how taxes really work.
        Let's say there is a person making $50,000/year and paying 15% in
        federal income tax. Thus, the person's yearly tax burden is $7,500. If
        someone making $1,000,000/year paid at the same tax rate, they would
        pay $150,000 in taxes. So, the person making $50,000 pays $7,500, and
        the person making a million pays $150,000. Those who make more money,
        pay more in taxes. It's only logical.
        >  
        > However, that is not how a socialist thinks. Rather than each person
        truly paying "their fair share," the socialist says that the "rich"
        person should not only pay more because he or she makes more, but they
        should also pay a higher percentage. So, the person making
        $1,000,000/year instead pays 35% in taxes for a tax bill of $350,000.
        That's an extra $200,000 that the government takes out of circulation
        to pay for their social engineering.
        >  
        > My contention is this, there is basically nothing that the
        individual with an extra $200k as his/her disposal could do that is
        "bad" for the economy. The person could save it, thus giving banks
        more leverage to do business. The person could invest it, thus helping
        new or established companies grow. The person could donate some to
        charity, thus helping organizations at the grassroots level do things
        more efficiently than the federal government could ever hope to.
        >  
        > Or, God forbid, the person could simply go out and buy stuff. Two
        hundred thousand dollars of stuff is a lot of stuff! Imagine all that
        cash injected into society. Talk about a stimulus package. More goods
        being purchased, whether it is cars, clothes, furniture, food, or
        whatever, means that more jobs will be needed to produce those goods.
        It's as simple as that.
        >  
        > The problem is that Obama uses the politics of "trickle down
        economics" to pit one socio-economic group against another. It is
        typical class warfare, and it is un-American. Someone (McCain) needs
        to meet this head on and use some "straight talk." There is no
        "trickle down" theory. The more money that is in the hands of those
        who make the money, and outside the clutches of government, benefits
        the entire society instantly. There is nothing to trickle down. When
        all Americans are treated fairly, we all benefit. That is the American
        way!
        >  
        > Investor's Business Daily describes Obama as "the most
        anti-capitalist politician ever nominated by a major party." In their
        editorial, IBD describes the Obama/liberal agenda as follows:
        >  
        > It starts with a tax system right out of Marx: A massive
        redistribution of income -- from each according to his ability, to
        each according to his need -- all in the name of "neighborliness,"
        "patriotism," "fairness" and "justice."
        >  
        > It continues with a call for a new world order that turns its back
        on free trade, has no problem with government controlling the means of
        production, imposes global taxes to support continents where our
        interests are negligible, signs on to climate treaties that will sap
        billions more in U.S. productivity and wealth, and institutes an
        authoritarian health care system that will strip Americans' freedoms
        and run up costs.
        >  
        > All the while, it ensures that nothing -- absolutely nothing -- will
        be done to secure a sufficient, terror-proof supply of our economic
        lifeblood -- oil -- a resource we'll need much more of in the years ahead.
        >  
        > McCain needs to board the Straight Talk Express and let the American
        people know what Obama is all about, and how McCain is different. Make
        no mistake, Sen. McCain, an Obama administration IS scary. You should
        be scared too. You should also hit Obama hard every single time he
        engages in socialist rhetoric.
        >  
        > All people are capable of abusing the system, and as we've seen
        lately, both Republicans and Democrats are capable of greed and
        corruption. But it is not the American way to punish initiative and
        ingenuity. It is not "patriotic" to pay more taxes.
        >  
        > All Americans should pay less taxes! In tough economic times, the
        last thing you want to do is hurt business producers.
        >  
        > Who is going to create the jobs? The government? 
        >  
        > http://www.gopusa.com/archives/eagle/2008_10_15.html%c2%a0
        >  
        > SOCIALISM  =  SERFDOM (SLAVERY)
        >  
        > SEE DEFINITVE ARGUMENTS VS SOCIALISM BY THE AUSTRIAN VON MISES &
        AMERICAN HAYEK, BOTH GIANTS OF AUSTRIAN FREE MARKET ECONOMICS
        >  
        >
        =========================================================================
        >  
        > LUDWIG VON MISES (Austrian) and The VON MISES INSTITUTE
        >  
        > Q: Who Is Ludwig von Mises?
        > A: The European champion of a Free Market Economy & Founder of "The
        Austrian School" of Economics, which included the American Friederich
        A Hayek
        > http://www.mises.org/mises.asp
        >  
        >    > > >  "SOCIALISM,"   by Ludwig Von Mises, 1922 < < <
        >  
        > The definitive case against socialism, this work proved to be
        prophetic in forcasting the collapse of the USSR in the early 1990s.
        >  
        > USED HARDBACKS @ AMAZON: http://tinyurl.com/2cpyvg
        >
        -------------------------------------------------------------------------
        >  
        > First published in 1922, the complete text of Mises's work is
        ON-LINE, Fully searchable.
        >      http://www.econlib.org/library/Mises/msS.html
        > Socialism: An Economic and Sociological Analysis
        >
        _________________________________________________________________________
        >  
        > LEARN MORE HERE: 
        > Shocking 1995 Obama Audio Found  http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/
        >
        > Senator Government Stands by "Spread the Wealth Around"
        >      http://tinyurl.com/5o84co%c2%a0%c2%a0
        >  
        > @ http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/ please see:
        >  
        > AP-Obama Hides Results of Their Own Poll in Their Story on the Poll
        >  
        > The Truth: This is a Close Election
        >  
        > CNN Lies to Damage McCain
        >  
        > Biden: CEO Pensions "Go First" (And Your 401(k) Will Go Next)
        >      http://www.gop.org/%c2%a0
        >  
        >
        > [img]http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/ticket_main.jpg%5b/img]
        >
        > CLICK  TO SEE PHOTO: "THE TICKET FOR AMERICA" 
        >  http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/ticket_main.jpg%c2%a0
        > ==================================================================
        >  
        >
        > [img]http://store.barackobama.com/v/vspfiles/photos/PO26840-2T.jpg%5b/img]
        >  
        >  
        >
        [img]http://a1055.g.akamai.net/f/1055/1401/5h/images.barnesandnoble.com/images/14290000/14293196.JPG%5b/img]

        >  
        > Q: ARE YOU AS IGNORANT OF HISTORY AS HUSSEIN OBAMA ? 
        >  
        > Q: OR DO YOU JUST CHOSE TO IGNORE WHAT HISTORY CLEARLY TEACHES THE
        WORLD,
        > SO THAT YOUR CHILDREN & GRANDCHILDREN SUFFER THE SAME MISTAKE OF
        DEGRADING POVERTY WHICH COULD HAVE EASILY BEEN AVOIDED BY HEEDING
        HISTORY.
        >  
        > SOCIALISM HAS RUINED EVERY NATION THAT HAS TRIED IT!
        > eg: GERMANY, ITALY, USSR, FRANCE etc etc
        >  
        > THE ONLY WAY COMMUNIST NATIONS ESCAPE THE POVERTY OF SOCIALISM IS TO
        PRACTICE CAPITALISM:  eg: CHINA
        >  
        > Do you ralize that every nation America has fought in a major
        conflict in the past 80 years has had the word "SOCIALIST" in the name
        of that nation ? Including both NAZI Germany and the USSR, North
        Vietnam, Cambodia, etc  etc:
        >  
        > "NAZI" meant "The National SOCIALIST Party"
        >  
        > U.S.S.R. =  "United Soviet SOCIALIST Republic"
        >  
        > SOCIALISM IS EQUALLY DANGEROUS WHETHER COMMUNIST OR FACIST VARIETY!!
        >  
        > EVERY COMMUNIST NATION USES THE WORD "SOCIALIST" TO DESCRIBE ITSELF!!
        > AND OBAMA EMBRACES SOCIALISM WITHOUT APOLOGY !!
        >  
        > DESPITE FACT THAT EVERY KIA MILITARY VET HAS DIED FIGHTING VS SOCIALISM!
        > WHEN YOU FEEL THE EARTH MOVE IF OBAMA IS ELECTED, IT WILL BE ALL THE
        MILLIONS OF DEAD VETS ROLLING OVER IN THEIR GRAVES !!
        >  
        > BETRAYED BY IDIOT POSTERITY, VOTING FOR WHAT THEY DIED FIGHTING AGAINST.
        >  
        >
        ==========================================================================
        >  
        > Foundation for Economic Education (FEE)
        >  
        > In 1946 Leonard E. Read brought together a group of dedicated
        individuals and launched the Foundation for Economic Education, (FEE)
        - the oldest free-market organization in the United States, to promote
        the "first principles:" the sanctity of private property,
        constitutionally limited government, the rule of law, free enterprise,
        free trade, market competition, and the moral superiority of
        individual choice and responsibility over coercion.
        >  
        >      http://www.fee.org/
        >
        > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
        >  
        > PLEASE CLICK THE LINK BELOW TO SEE AN EXCELLENT SLIDE SHOW:
        >
        > "The RISE of the United Socialist States of America (USSA)"
        >
        > http://oldbluewebdesigns.com/USSA.htm
        >
        >
        > OBAMA PLANS TO DISARM AMERICA !!
        >
        > http://macsmind.com/wordpress/2008/02/27/obama-plans-to-disarm-america/
        >
        >
        > UPDATE: Also see new more clearer and longer video here.
        >
        >
        http://macsmind.com/wordpress/2008/06/08/obama-wants-to-protect-america/
        >
        > Protecting American by Disarming Her. Right.
        >
        > Perhaps American needs protecting…from him.
        >
        >
        > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Moral_Conservatism/
        >
        >
        > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Moral_Conservatism/join
        >
        >
        > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Moral_Conservatism/messages
        >
      • Ic Neltococayotl
        To be a bit more specific it is: Facist Socialism (Republican-- as we see under Bush s Admin s. take over of the banks and other private companies) Yeah
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          To be a bit more specific it is:

          Facist Socialism (Republican-- as we see under Bush's Admin's. take over
          of the banks and other private companies) Yeah McCain will bring us
          more wars and more lives lost.

          vs.

          Stalin - Lennin Socialism (Democratic--I think this is obvious) Yeah
          Obama will expand abortion and more lives lost.

          Wait, I lost track, who is Pro-Life between them?

          Either way Socialism is here to stay...public education...social
          security...minister's cannot speak against the evils of our government
          for fear of loosing 501(c)(e) status...etc...

          Yet when other nations south of the border swing Left...Oh no!! says our
          government...those evil people! Time for a regime change...they cry.

          Our only hope is in King Jesus, who's authoritarian regime is Good and
          Holy and not a burden, bringing true justice and mercy. Trust in this
          King and we will have true security. Trust in our American princes...and
          your in trouble.

          For Christ's Crown and Covenant,

          Edgar

          Engaging in politcal dissent come Nov. 4th, i.e. not voting.


          --- In covenantedreformationclub@yahoogroups.com, "puritanstorm"
          <john@...> wrote:
          >
          >
          > Yeah, its about socialism alright...
          >
          > Our choice is between socialism (Democrats) and national socialism
          > (Republicans).
          >
          > Don't vote. The lesser of two evils (and I'm not sure which one is
          > worse) is still evil.
          >
          > --- In covenantedreformationclub@yahoogroups.com, Ebenezer Erskine
          > ebenezer_erskine@ wrote:
          > >
          > > 2008 ELECTION IS A REFERENDUM ON SOCIALISM
          > >
          > > OBAMA'S 'CHANGE' = SOCIALISM & SERFDOM for Taxpayers
          > >
          > > PLEASE click link below to see n ecellent slide show on the
          > consequences were Hussein Obama to be elected President of the USA.
          > >
          > > http://oldbluewebdesigns.com/USSA.htm
          > >
          > > VOTE "NO" TO SOCIALISM ! VOTE FOR AMERICA FIRST !!
          > >
          > > A VOTE FOR OBAMA = VOTE YOURSELF INTO POVERTY WITH NO WAY OUT!!
          > >
          > > OBAMA PROMISES POVERTY AS DOMESTIC POLICY IS UNABASHED SOCIALISM!
          > >
          > > • YouTube: Obama Does Not Regret "Spread the Wealth" Comment
          > > http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kNVPZaj1sYA
          > >
          > > OBAMA FOREIGN POLICY WOULD INVITE ATTACK BY AMERICA'S ENEMIES!!
          > >
          > > BIDEN SAYS OBAMA AS PRESIDENT GURANTEES AN ATTACK ON AMERICA!
          > >
          > > VP RUNNING MATE BIDEN WARNED LAST WEEK: OBAMA WILL BE TESTED BY US
          > ENEMIES, AND IT WILL NOT BE APPARENT HE WILL DO THE RIGHT THING !!
          > >
          > > VOTING OBAMA IS SAME AS PAINTING A TARGET ON AMERICA !!!
          > > ...SAYS JOE BIDEN, HIS OWN RUNNING MATE !!
          > >
          >
          ________________________________________________________________________\
          _
          > >
          > > "JOE THE PLUMBER" GOT OBAMA TO GO ON RECORD, ADMITING HE IS A
          > SOCIALIST IN HIS OWN WORDS:
          > >
          > > OBAMA: "I'D RATHER SPREAD THE WEALTH AROUND."
          > >
          > > Obama Stands by His "Spread the Wealth" Comment
          > >
          > > • TIME: The Page: Obama: No Regrets for "Spread the Wealth"
          Remark
          > > http://tinyurl.com/5gehvq
          > >
          > > • CNBC: Poll: Voters Against Obama 'Wealth Redistribution' Plan
          > > http://www.cnbc.com/id/27339578
          > >
          > > • YouTube: Obama Does Not Regret "Spread the Wealth" Comment
          > > http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kNVPZaj1sYA
          > >
          >
          ________________________________________________________________________\
          _
          > >
          > > 30% OF AMERICAN CITIZENS PAY NO TAXES AND OBAMA IS THEIR CHAMPION!
          > >
          > > ASSSUMING THE 30% NON-TAXPAYERS ALL REGISTER & VOTE OBAMA,
          > >
          > > IF ONLY 30% OF THE 70% WHO PAY TAXES VOTE FOR OABAMA, THAT'S 21%
          > >
          > > 30 + 21 = 51%
          > >
          > > LESS THAN A THIRD OF TAXPAYERS VOTING OBAMA WILL DOOM AMERICA TO
          > SERFDOM!
          > >
          > >
          > > [img]http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/ticket_main.jpg%5b/img]
          > >
          > > CLICK TO SEE PHOTO: "THE TICKET FOR AMERICA"
          > > http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/ticket_main.jpg
          > >
          >
          ________________________________________________________________________\
          _
          > >
          > > OBAMA's 'Change' = SOCIALISM / SERFDOM / SLAVERY TO STATE
          > >
          > >
          > >
          >
          [img]http://store.barackobama.com/v/vspfiles/photos/PO26840-2T.jpg%5b/img]
          > >
          > >
          > >
          >
          [img]http://a1055.g.akamai.net/f/1055/1401/5h/images.barnesandnoble.com/\
          images/14290000/14293196.JPG[/img]
          >
          > >
          > > see Book Cover image: http://tinyurl.com/5uccbu
          > >
          > > SOCIALISM = "THE ROAD TO SERFDOM"
          > >
          > > PLEASE READ THE BOOK: "THE ROAD TO SERFDOM"
          > >
          > > by Friedrich A. Hayek, Milton Friedman (Introduction)
          > > (University of Chicago Press, Oct 1994) ISBN-13: 9780226320595
          > > The definitive modern devasting refutation of Socialism, the best
          > since Ludvid Von Mises' original "(Vs.) SOCIALISM" (1922).
          > > http://tinyurl.com/2ysmug
          > >
          >
          ________________________________________________________________________\
          _
          > >
          > > Obama's Socialist Agenda -- Is Anyone Listening?
          > >
          > > Posted By Bobby Eberle On October 14, 2008 at 6:38 am
          > > http://www.gopusa.com/theloft/wp-print.php?p=802
          > >
          > > Outside of stump speeches, carefully scripted responses to
          > reporters, and the endless recitation of talking points, there are a
          > few moments when a politician speaks from the heart. It is in these
          > moments when true motivations and core beliefs are often revealed.
          > > Such a moment occurred this past weekend, when Barack Obama unveiled
          > his socialist leanings and gave a clue to the American people about
          > what Obama is all about.
          > >
          > > But, are the American people listening?
          > >
          > > Have they become so duped by the rhetoric of "hope" and "change"
          > that they don't see the train wreck that's about to happen?
          > >
          > > Our freedoms are already being taken away as government continues to
          > grow.
          > >
          > > If Obama gets elected, the subtleties will be thrown out the window
          > as blatant socialism will rule the day.
          > >
          > > Just read Obama's response to a plumber's question in Ohio...
          > >
          > > As reported by Fox News, during a campaign event in Ohio, Obama was
          > peppered with questions from a local plumber who asked, "Your new tax
          > plan is going to tax me more, isn't it?" The plumber was complaining
          > (as I often do) that he is "being taxed more and more for fulfilling
          > the American dream."
          > >
          > > Obama's response? He gave the plumber a classic dose of socialism:
          > > "It's not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make
          > sure that everybody who is behind you, that they've got a chance for
          > success too," Obama responded. "My attitude is that if the economy's
          > good for folks from the bottom up, it's gonna be good for everybody
          > ... I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for
          everybody."
          > >
          > > Spread the wealth around? This is America, isn't it? Redistributing
          > the "wealth" is a classic tenet of Marxist philosophy. Communist
          > China, the former Soviet Union, Cuba, and so on.... they all believe
          > in government ownership of basically everything. Hard work,
          > initiative, expertise... none of that is rewarded. Instead, the
          > efforts of the talented and the hard-working are taken from them and
          > given to those who don't work as hard.
          > >
          > > The result is a decrease in productivity, not to mention the
          > self-fulfillment that comes from being rewarded for a job well done.
          > And this is exactly what Barack Obama wants to do!
          > >
          > > John McCain needs to get the message out on EXACTLY how he and
          > Barack Obama are different. Yes, there should be tax cuts, and they
          > should be for all Americans.
          > >
          > > Everytime Obama speaks about tax cuts, he only talks about cutting
          > taxes for a particular group or segment of society. It is social
          > engineering at its worst.
          > >
          > > Obama and the "govermennt" will decide how to redistribute the
          > wealth of this country. McCain needs to hammer this!!!
          > >
          > > My question to Obama is this... How do you make the economy good
          > "for folks at the bottom up" without injecting more government into
          > the picture or letting capitalism work?
          > >
          > > Does Obama really understand the essence of America? It is strong
          > because of the American spirit of invention and the bravery to
          > undertake new endeavors. Those at the
          > > economic bottom DO NOT create jobs. Those at the economic bottom get
          > hired for jobs.
          > >
          > > When the economy is robust, more jobs are created, thus more people
          > get hired. There's not a business existing in America today that
          > doesn't want to "do more business." In order to grow, more workers
          > must be hired, and more capital purchased... both of which benefit the
          > economy. Doesn't Obama understand this???
          > >
          > > Let's just do a little simple math to see how taxes really work.
          > Let's say there is a person making $50,000/year and paying 15% in
          > federal income tax. Thus, the person's yearly tax burden is $7,500. If
          > someone making $1,000,000/year paid at the same tax rate, they would
          > pay $150,000 in taxes. So, the person making $50,000 pays $7,500, and
          > the person making a million pays $150,000. Those who make more money,
          > pay more in taxes. It's only logical.
          > >
          > > However, that is not how a socialist thinks. Rather than each person
          > truly paying "their fair share," the socialist says that the "rich"
          > person should not only pay more because he or she makes more, but they
          > should also pay a higher percentage. So, the person making
          > $1,000,000/year instead pays 35% in taxes for a tax bill of $350,000.
          > That's an extra $200,000 that the government takes out of circulation
          > to pay for their social engineering.
          > >
          > > My contention is this, there is basically nothing that the
          > individual with an extra $200k as his/her disposal could do that is
          > "bad" for the economy. The person could save it, thus giving banks
          > more leverage to do business. The person could invest it, thus helping
          > new or established companies grow. The person could donate some to
          > charity, thus helping organizations at the grassroots level do things
          > more efficiently than the federal government could ever hope to.
          > >
          > > Or, God forbid, the person could simply go out and buy stuff. Two
          > hundred thousand dollars of stuff is a lot of stuff! Imagine all that
          > cash injected into society. Talk about a stimulus package. More goods
          > being purchased, whether it is cars, clothes, furniture, food, or
          > whatever, means that more jobs will be needed to produce those goods.
          > It's as simple as that.
          > >
          > > The problem is that Obama uses the politics of "trickle down
          > economics" to pit one socio-economic group against another. It is
          > typical class warfare, and it is un-American. Someone (McCain) needs
          > to meet this head on and use some "straight talk." There is no
          > "trickle down" theory. The more money that is in the hands of those
          > who make the money, and outside the clutches of government, benefits
          > the entire society instantly. There is nothing to trickle down. When
          > all Americans are treated fairly, we all benefit. That is the American
          > way!
          > >
          > > Investor's Business Daily describes Obama as "the most
          > anti-capitalist politician ever nominated by a major party." In their
          > editorial, IBD describes the Obama/liberal agenda as follows:
          > >
          > > It starts with a tax system right out of Marx: A massive
          > redistribution of income -- from each according to his ability, to
          > each according to his need -- all in the name of "neighborliness,"
          > "patriotism," "fairness" and "justice."
          > >
          > > It continues with a call for a new world order that turns its back
          > on free trade, has no problem with government controlling the means of
          > production, imposes global taxes to support continents where our
          > interests are negligible, signs on to climate treaties that will sap
          > billions more in U.S. productivity and wealth, and institutes an
          > authoritarian health care system that will strip Americans' freedoms
          > and run up costs.
          > >
          > > All the while, it ensures that nothing -- absolutely nothing -- will
          > be done to secure a sufficient, terror-proof supply of our economic
          > lifeblood -- oil -- a resource we'll need much more of in the years
          ahead.
          > >
          > > McCain needs to board the Straight Talk Express and let the American
          > people know what Obama is all about, and how McCain is different. Make
          > no mistake, Sen. McCain, an Obama administration IS scary. You should
          > be scared too. You should also hit Obama hard every single time he
          > engages in socialist rhetoric.
          > >
          > > All people are capable of abusing the system, and as we've seen
          > lately, both Republicans and Democrats are capable of greed and
          > corruption. But it is not the American way to punish initiative and
          > ingenuity. It is not "patriotic" to pay more taxes.
          > >
          > > All Americans should pay less taxes! In tough economic times, the
          > last thing you want to do is hurt business producers.
          > >
          > > Who is going to create the jobs? The government?
          > >
          > > http://www.gopusa.com/archives/eagle/2008_10_15.html
          > >
          > > SOCIALISM = SERFDOM (SLAVERY)
          > >
          > > SEE DEFINITVE ARGUMENTS VS SOCIALISM BY THE AUSTRIAN VON MISES &
          > AMERICAN HAYEK, BOTH GIANTS OF AUSTRIAN FREE MARKET ECONOMICS
          > >
          > >
          >
          ========================================================================\
          =
          > >
          > > LUDWIG VON MISES (Austrian) and The VON MISES INSTITUTE
          > >
          > > Q: Who Is Ludwig von Mises?
          > > A: The European champion of a Free Market Economy & Founder of "The
          > Austrian School" of Economics, which included the American Friederich
          > A Hayek
          > > http://www.mises.org/mises.asp
          > >
          > > > > > "SOCIALISM," by Ludwig Von Mises, 1922 < < <
          > >
          > > The definitive case against socialism, this work proved to be
          > prophetic in forcasting the collapse of the USSR in the early 1990s.
          > >
          > > USED HARDBACKS @ AMAZON: http://tinyurl.com/2cpyvg
          > >
          >
          ------------------------------------------------------------------------\
          -
          > >
          > > First published in 1922, the complete text of Mises's work is
          > ON-LINE, Fully searchable.
          > > http://www.econlib.org/library/Mises/msS.html
          > > Socialism: An Economic and Sociological Analysis
          > >
          >
          ________________________________________________________________________\
          _
          > >
          > > LEARN MORE HERE:
          > > Shocking 1995 Obama Audio Found http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/
          > >
          > > Senator Government Stands by "Spread the Wealth Around"
          > > http://tinyurl.com/5o84co
          > >
          > > @ http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/ please see:
          > >
          > > AP-Obama Hides Results of Their Own Poll in Their Story on the Poll
          > >
          > > The Truth: This is a Close Election
          > >
          > > CNN Lies to Damage McCain
          > >
          > > Biden: CEO Pensions "Go First" (And Your 401(k) Will Go Next)
          > > http://www.gop.org/
          > >
          > >
          > > [img]http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/ticket_main.jpg%5b/img]
          > >
          > > CLICK TO SEE PHOTO: "THE TICKET FOR AMERICA"
          > > http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/ticket_main.jpg
          > > ==================================================================
          > >
          > >
          > >
          [img]http://store.barackobama.com/v/vspfiles/photos/PO26840-2T.jpg%5b/img]
          > >
          > >
          > >
          >
          [img]http://a1055.g.akamai.net/f/1055/1401/5h/images.barnesandnoble.com/\
          images/14290000/14293196.JPG[/img]
          >
          > >
          > > Q: ARE YOU AS IGNORANT OF HISTORY AS HUSSEIN OBAMA ?
          > >
          > > Q: OR DO YOU JUST CHOSE TO IGNORE WHAT HISTORY CLEARLY TEACHES THE
          > WORLD,
          > > SO THAT YOUR CHILDREN & GRANDCHILDREN SUFFER THE SAME MISTAKE OF
          > DEGRADING POVERTY WHICH COULD HAVE EASILY BEEN AVOIDED BY HEEDING
          > HISTORY.
          > >
          > > SOCIALISM HAS RUINED EVERY NATION THAT HAS TRIED IT!
          > > eg: GERMANY, ITALY, USSR, FRANCE etc etc
          > >
          > > THE ONLY WAY COMMUNIST NATIONS ESCAPE THE POVERTY OF SOCIALISM IS TO
          > PRACTICE CAPITALISM: eg: CHINA
          > >
          > > Do you ralize that every nation America has fought in a major
          > conflict in the past 80 years has had the word "SOCIALIST" in the name
          > of that nation ? Including both NAZI Germany and the USSR, North
          > Vietnam, Cambodia, etc etc:
          > >
          > > "NAZI" meant "The National SOCIALIST Party"
          > >
          > > U.S.S.R. = "United Soviet SOCIALIST Republic"
          > >
          > > SOCIALISM IS EQUALLY DANGEROUS WHETHER COMMUNIST OR FACIST VARIETY!!
          > >
          > > EVERY COMMUNIST NATION USES THE WORD "SOCIALIST" TO DESCRIBE
          ITSELF!!
          > > AND OBAMA EMBRACES SOCIALISM WITHOUT APOLOGY !!
          > >
          > > DESPITE FACT THAT EVERY KIA MILITARY VET HAS DIED FIGHTING VS
          SOCIALISM!
          > > WHEN YOU FEEL THE EARTH MOVE IF OBAMA IS ELECTED, IT WILL BE ALL THE
          > MILLIONS OF DEAD VETS ROLLING OVER IN THEIR GRAVES !!
          > >
          > > BETRAYED BY IDIOT POSTERITY, VOTING FOR WHAT THEY DIED FIGHTING
          AGAINST.
          > >
          > >
          >
          ========================================================================\
          ==
          > >
          > > Foundation for Economic Education (FEE)
          > >
          > > In 1946 Leonard E. Read brought together a group of dedicated
          > individuals and launched the Foundation for Economic Education, (FEE)
          > - the oldest free-market organization in the United States, to promote
          > the "first principles:" the sanctity of private property,
          > constitutionally limited government, the rule of law, free enterprise,
          > free trade, market competition, and the moral superiority of
          > individual choice and responsibility over coercion.
          > >
          > > http://www.fee.org/
          > >
          > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
          > >
          > > PLEASE CLICK THE LINK BELOW TO SEE AN EXCELLENT SLIDE SHOW:
          > >
          > > "The RISE of the United Socialist States of America (USSA)"
          > >
          > > http://oldbluewebdesigns.com/USSA.htm
          > >
          > >
          > > OBAMA PLANS TO DISARM AMERICA !!
          > >
          > >
          http://macsmind.com/wordpress/2008/02/27/obama-plans-to-disarm-america/
          > >
          > >
          > > UPDATE: Also see new more clearer and longer video here.
          > >
          > >
          >
          http://macsmind.com/wordpress/2008/06/08/obama-wants-to-protect-america/
          > >
          > > Protecting American by Disarming Her. Right.
          > >
          > > Perhaps American needs protecting…from him.
          > >
          > >
          > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Moral_Conservatism/
          > >
          > >
          > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Moral_Conservatism/join
          > >
          > >
          > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Moral_Conservatism/messages
          > >
          >
        • Whit R
          Very good points. Yes, socialism, or rather Communism, is pervasive. Communism has its roots in human pride (i.e, the human search for significance or
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            Very good points. Yes, socialism, or rather Communism, is
            pervasive. Communism has its roots in human pride (i.e, the human
            search for significance or self-worth) from the economy to technology
            to morality.

            Christ is King of kings and Lord of lords and the sole Head of Church
            and State.

            Whit (who will be voting Nov. 4 but for a write-in)

            --- In covenantedreformationclub@yahoogroups.com, "Ic Neltococayotl"
            <puritanpresbyterian@...> wrote:
            >
            >
            > To be a bit more specific it is:
            >
            > Facist Socialism (Republican-- as we see under Bush's Admin's. take
            over
            > of the banks and other private companies) Yeah McCain will bring us
            > more wars and more lives lost.
            >
            > vs.
            >
            > Stalin - Lennin Socialism (Democratic--I think this is obvious) Yeah
            > Obama will expand abortion and more lives lost.
            >
            > Wait, I lost track, who is Pro-Life between them?
            >
            > Either way Socialism is here to stay...public education...social
            > security...minister's cannot speak against the evils of our
            government
            > for fear of loosing 501(c)(e) status...etc...
            >
            > Yet when other nations south of the border swing Left...Oh no!!
            says our
            > government...those evil people! Time for a regime change...they
            cry.
            >
            > Our only hope is in King Jesus, who's authoritarian regime is Good
            and
            > Holy and not a burden, bringing true justice and mercy. Trust in
            this
            > King and we will have true security. Trust in our American
            princes...and
            > your in trouble.
            >
            > For Christ's Crown and Covenant,
            >
            > Edgar
            >
            > Engaging in politcal dissent come Nov. 4th, i.e. not voting.
            >
            >
            > --- In covenantedreformationclub@yahoogroups.com, "puritanstorm"
            > <john@> wrote:
            > >
            > >
            > > Yeah, its about socialism alright...
            > >
            > > Our choice is between socialism (Democrats) and national socialism
            > > (Republicans).
            > >
            > > Don't vote. The lesser of two evils (and I'm not sure which one is
            > > worse) is still evil.
            > >
            > > --- In covenantedreformationclub@yahoogroups.com, Ebenezer Erskine
            > > ebenezer_erskine@ wrote:
            > > >
            > > > 2008 ELECTION IS A REFERENDUM ON SOCIALISM
            > > >
            > > > OBAMA'S 'CHANGE' = SOCIALISM & SERFDOM for Taxpayers
            > > >
            > > > PLEASE click link below to see n ecellent slide show on the
            > > consequences were Hussein Obama to be elected President of the
            USA.
            > > >
            > > > http://oldbluewebdesigns.com/USSA.htm
            > > >
            > > > VOTE "NO" TO SOCIALISM ! VOTE FOR AMERICA FIRST !!
            > > >
            > > > A VOTE FOR OBAMA = VOTE YOURSELF INTO POVERTY WITH NO WAY OUT!!
            > > >
            > > > OBAMA PROMISES POVERTY AS DOMESTIC POLICY IS UNABASHED
            SOCIALISM!
            > > >
            > > > • YouTube: Obama Does Not Regret "Spread the Wealth" Comment
            > > > http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kNVPZaj1sYA
            > > >
            > > > OBAMA FOREIGN POLICY WOULD INVITE ATTACK BY AMERICA'S ENEMIES!!
            > > >
            > > > BIDEN SAYS OBAMA AS PRESIDENT GURANTEES AN ATTACK ON AMERICA!
            > > >
            > > > VP RUNNING MATE BIDEN WARNED LAST WEEK: OBAMA WILL BE TESTED BY
            US
            > > ENEMIES, AND IT WILL NOT BE APPARENT HE WILL DO THE RIGHT THING !!
            > > >
            > > > VOTING OBAMA IS SAME AS PAINTING A TARGET ON AMERICA !!!
            > > > ...SAYS JOE BIDEN, HIS OWN RUNNING MATE !!
            > > >
            > >
            >
            ______________________________________________________________________
            __\
            > _
            > > >
            > > > "JOE THE PLUMBER" GOT OBAMA TO GO ON RECORD, ADMITING HE IS A
            > > SOCIALIST IN HIS OWN WORDS:
            > > >
            > > > OBAMA: "I'D RATHER SPREAD THE WEALTH AROUND."
            > > >
            > > > Obama Stands by His "Spread the Wealth" Comment
            > > >
            > > > • TIME: The Page: Obama: No Regrets for "Spread the Wealth"
            > Remark
            > > > http://tinyurl.com/5gehvq
            > > >
            > > > • CNBC: Poll: Voters Against Obama 'Wealth Redistribution' Plan
            > > > http://www.cnbc.com/id/27339578
            > > >
            > > > • YouTube: Obama Does Not Regret "Spread the Wealth" Comment
            > > > http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kNVPZaj1sYA
            > > >
            > >
            >
            ______________________________________________________________________
            __\
            > _
            > > >
            > > > 30% OF AMERICAN CITIZENS PAY NO TAXES AND OBAMA IS THEIR
            CHAMPION!
            > > >
            > > > ASSSUMING THE 30% NON-TAXPAYERS ALL REGISTER & VOTE OBAMA,
            > > >
            > > > IF ONLY 30% OF THE 70% WHO PAY TAXES VOTE FOR OABAMA, THAT'S 21%
            > > >
            > > > 30 + 21 = 51%
            > > >
            > > > LESS THAN A THIRD OF TAXPAYERS VOTING OBAMA WILL DOOM AMERICA TO
            > > SERFDOM!
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > [img]http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/ticket_main.jpg%5b/img]
            > > >
            > > > CLICK TO SEE PHOTO: "THE TICKET FOR AMERICA"
            > > > http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/ticket_main.jpg
            > > >
            > >
            >
            ______________________________________________________________________
            __\
            > _
            > > >
            > > > OBAMA's 'Change' = SOCIALISM / SERFDOM / SLAVERY TO STATE
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > >
            > [img]http://store.barackobama.com/v/vspfiles/photos/PO26840-2T.jpg
            [/img]
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > >
            > [img]
            http://a1055.g.akamai.net/f/1055/1401/5h/images.barnesandnoble.com/\
            > images/14290000/14293196.JPG[/img]
            > >
            > > >
            > > > see Book Cover image: http://tinyurl.com/5uccbu
            > > >
            > > > SOCIALISM = "THE ROAD TO SERFDOM"
            > > >
            > > > PLEASE READ THE BOOK: "THE ROAD TO SERFDOM"
            > > >
            > > > by Friedrich A. Hayek, Milton Friedman (Introduction)
            > > > (University of Chicago Press, Oct 1994) ISBN-13: 9780226320595
            > > > The definitive modern devasting refutation of Socialism, the
            best
            > > since Ludvid Von Mises' original "(Vs.) SOCIALISM" (1922).
            > > > http://tinyurl.com/2ysmug
            > > >
            > >
            >
            ______________________________________________________________________
            __\
            > _
            > > >
            > > > Obama's Socialist Agenda -- Is Anyone Listening?
            > > >
            > > > Posted By Bobby Eberle On October 14, 2008 at 6:38 am
            > > > http://www.gopusa.com/theloft/wp-print.php?p=802
            > > >
            > > > Outside of stump speeches, carefully scripted responses to
            > > reporters, and the endless recitation of talking points, there
            are a
            > > few moments when a politician speaks from the heart. It is in
            these
            > > moments when true motivations and core beliefs are often revealed.
            > > > Such a moment occurred this past weekend, when Barack Obama
            unveiled
            > > his socialist leanings and gave a clue to the American people
            about
            > > what Obama is all about.
            > > >
            > > > But, are the American people listening?
            > > >
            > > > Have they become so duped by the rhetoric of "hope" and "change"
            > > that they don't see the train wreck that's about to happen?
            > > >
            > > > Our freedoms are already being taken away as government
            continues to
            > > grow.
            > > >
            > > > If Obama gets elected, the subtleties will be thrown out the
            window
            > > as blatant socialism will rule the day.
            > > >
            > > > Just read Obama's response to a plumber's question in Ohio...
            > > >
            > > > As reported by Fox News, during a campaign event in Ohio, Obama
            was
            > > peppered with questions from a local plumber who asked, "Your new
            tax
            > > plan is going to tax me more, isn't it?" The plumber was
            complaining
            > > (as I often do) that he is "being taxed more and more for
            fulfilling
            > > the American dream."
            > > >
            > > > Obama's response? He gave the plumber a classic dose of
            socialism:
            > > > "It's not that I want to punish your success. I just want to
            make
            > > sure that everybody who is behind you, that they've got a chance
            for
            > > success too," Obama responded. "My attitude is that if the
            economy's
            > > good for folks from the bottom up, it's gonna be good for
            everybody
            > > ... I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for
            > everybody."
            > > >
            > > > Spread the wealth around? This is America, isn't it?
            Redistributing
            > > the "wealth" is a classic tenet of Marxist philosophy. Communist
            > > China, the former Soviet Union, Cuba, and so on.... they all
            believe
            > > in government ownership of basically everything. Hard work,
            > > initiative, expertise... none of that is rewarded. Instead, the
            > > efforts of the talented and the hard-working are taken from them
            and
            > > given to those who don't work as hard.
            > > >
            > > > The result is a decrease in productivity, not to mention the
            > > self-fulfillment that comes from being rewarded for a job well
            done.
            > > And this is exactly what Barack Obama wants to do!
            > > >
            > > > John McCain needs to get the message out on EXACTLY how he and
            > > Barack Obama are different. Yes, there should be tax cuts, and
            they
            > > should be for all Americans.
            > > >
            > > > Everytime Obama speaks about tax cuts, he only talks about
            cutting
            > > taxes for a particular group or segment of society. It is social
            > > engineering at its worst.
            > > >
            > > > Obama and the "govermennt" will decide how to redistribute the
            > > wealth of this country. McCain needs to hammer this!!!
            > > >
            > > > My question to Obama is this... How do you make the economy good
            > > "for folks at the bottom up" without injecting more government
            into
            > > the picture or letting capitalism work?
            > > >
            > > > Does Obama really understand the essence of America? It is
            strong
            > > because of the American spirit of invention and the bravery to
            > > undertake new endeavors. Those at the
            > > > economic bottom DO NOT create jobs. Those at the economic
            bottom get
            > > hired for jobs.
            > > >
            > > > When the economy is robust, more jobs are created, thus more
            people
            > > get hired. There's not a business existing in America today that
            > > doesn't want to "do more business." In order to grow, more workers
            > > must be hired, and more capital purchased... both of which
            benefit the
            > > economy. Doesn't Obama understand this???
            > > >
            > > > Let's just do a little simple math to see how taxes really work.
            > > Let's say there is a person making $50,000/year and paying 15% in
            > > federal income tax. Thus, the person's yearly tax burden is
            $7,500. If
            > > someone making $1,000,000/year paid at the same tax rate, they
            would
            > > pay $150,000 in taxes. So, the person making $50,000 pays $7,500,
            and
            > > the person making a million pays $150,000. Those who make more
            money,
            > > pay more in taxes. It's only logical.
            > > >
            > > > However, that is not how a socialist thinks. Rather than each
            person
            > > truly paying "their fair share," the socialist says that
            the "rich"
            > > person should not only pay more because he or she makes more, but
            they
            > > should also pay a higher percentage. So, the person making
            > > $1,000,000/year instead pays 35% in taxes for a tax bill of
            $350,000.
            > > That's an extra $200,000 that the government takes out of
            circulation
            > > to pay for their social engineering.
            > > >
            > > > My contention is this, there is basically nothing that the
            > > individual with an extra $200k as his/her disposal could do that
            is
            > > "bad" for the economy. The person could save it, thus giving banks
            > > more leverage to do business. The person could invest it, thus
            helping
            > > new or established companies grow. The person could donate some to
            > > charity, thus helping organizations at the grassroots level do
            things
            > > more efficiently than the federal government could ever hope to.
            > > >
            > > > Or, God forbid, the person could simply go out and buy stuff.
            Two
            > > hundred thousand dollars of stuff is a lot of stuff! Imagine all
            that
            > > cash injected into society. Talk about a stimulus package. More
            goods
            > > being purchased, whether it is cars, clothes, furniture, food, or
            > > whatever, means that more jobs will be needed to produce those
            goods.
            > > It's as simple as that.
            > > >
            > > > The problem is that Obama uses the politics of "trickle down
            > > economics" to pit one socio-economic group against another. It is
            > > typical class warfare, and it is un-American. Someone (McCain)
            needs
            > > to meet this head on and use some "straight talk." There is no
            > > "trickle down" theory. The more money that is in the hands of
            those
            > > who make the money, and outside the clutches of government,
            benefits
            > > the entire society instantly. There is nothing to trickle down.
            When
            > > all Americans are treated fairly, we all benefit. That is the
            American
            > > way!
            > > >
            > > > Investor's Business Daily describes Obama as "the most
            > > anti-capitalist politician ever nominated by a major party." In
            their
            > > editorial, IBD describes the Obama/liberal agenda as follows:
            > > >
            > > > It starts with a tax system right out of Marx: A massive
            > > redistribution of income -- from each according to his ability, to
            > > each according to his need -- all in the name of "neighborliness,"
            > > "patriotism," "fairness" and "justice."
            > > >
            > > > It continues with a call for a new world order that turns its
            back
            > > on free trade, has no problem with government controlling the
            means of
            > > production, imposes global taxes to support continents where our
            > > interests are negligible, signs on to climate treaties that will
            sap
            > > billions more in U.S. productivity and wealth, and institutes an
            > > authoritarian health care system that will strip Americans'
            freedoms
            > > and run up costs.
            > > >
            > > > All the while, it ensures that nothing -- absolutely nothing --
            will
            > > be done to secure a sufficient, terror-proof supply of our
            economic
            > > lifeblood -- oil -- a resource we'll need much more of in the
            years
            > ahead.
            > > >
            > > > McCain needs to board the Straight Talk Express and let the
            American
            > > people know what Obama is all about, and how McCain is different.
            Make
            > > no mistake, Sen. McCain, an Obama administration IS scary. You
            should
            > > be scared too. You should also hit Obama hard every single time he
            > > engages in socialist rhetoric.
            > > >
            > > > All people are capable of abusing the system, and as we've seen
            > > lately, both Republicans and Democrats are capable of greed and
            > > corruption. But it is not the American way to punish initiative
            and
            > > ingenuity. It is not "patriotic" to pay more taxes.
            > > >
            > > > All Americans should pay less taxes! In tough economic times,
            the
            > > last thing you want to do is hurt business producers.
            > > >
            > > > Who is going to create the jobs? The government?
            > > >
            > > > http://www.gopusa.com/archives/eagle/2008_10_15.html
            > > >
            > > > SOCIALISM = SERFDOM (SLAVERY)
            > > >
            > > > SEE DEFINITVE ARGUMENTS VS SOCIALISM BY THE AUSTRIAN VON MISES &
            > > AMERICAN HAYEK, BOTH GIANTS OF AUSTRIAN FREE MARKET ECONOMICS
            > > >
            > > >
            > >
            >
            ======================================================================
            ==\
            > =
            > > >
            > > > LUDWIG VON MISES (Austrian) and The VON MISES INSTITUTE
            > > >
            > > > Q: Who Is Ludwig von Mises?
            > > > A: The European champion of a Free Market Economy & Founder
            of "The
            > > Austrian School" of Economics, which included the American
            Friederich
            > > A Hayek
            > > > http://www.mises.org/mises.asp
            > > >
            > > > > > > "SOCIALISM," by Ludwig Von Mises, 1922 < < <
            > > >
            > > > The definitive case against socialism, this work proved to be
            > > prophetic in forcasting the collapse of the USSR in the early
            1990s.
            > > >
            > > > USED HARDBACKS @ AMAZON: http://tinyurl.com/2cpyvg
            > > >
            > >
            > --------------------------------------------------------------------
            ----\
            > -
            > > >
            > > > First published in 1922, the complete text of Mises's work is
            > > ON-LINE, Fully searchable.
            > > > http://www.econlib.org/library/Mises/msS.html
            > > > Socialism: An Economic and Sociological Analysis
            > > >
            > >
            >
            ______________________________________________________________________
            __\
            > _
            > > >
            > > > LEARN MORE HERE:
            > > > Shocking 1995 Obama Audio Found http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/
            > > >
            > > > Senator Government Stands by "Spread the Wealth Around"
            > > > http://tinyurl.com/5o84co
            > > >
            > > > @ http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/ please see:
            > > >
            > > > AP-Obama Hides Results of Their Own Poll in Their Story on the
            Poll
            > > >
            > > > The Truth: This is a Close Election
            > > >
            > > > CNN Lies to Damage McCain
            > > >
            > > > Biden: CEO Pensions "Go First" (And Your 401(k) Will Go Next)
            > > > http://www.gop.org/
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > [img]http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/ticket_main.jpg%5b/img]
            > > >
            > > > CLICK TO SEE PHOTO: "THE TICKET FOR AMERICA"
            > > > http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/ticket_main.jpg
            > > >
            ==================================================================
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > [img]http://store.barackobama.com/v/vspfiles/photos/PO26840-2T.jpg
            [/img]
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > >
            > [img]
            http://a1055.g.akamai.net/f/1055/1401/5h/images.barnesandnoble.com/\
            > images/14290000/14293196.JPG[/img]
            > >
            > > >
            > > > Q: ARE YOU AS IGNORANT OF HISTORY AS HUSSEIN OBAMA ?
            > > >
            > > > Q: OR DO YOU JUST CHOSE TO IGNORE WHAT HISTORY CLEARLY TEACHES
            THE
            > > WORLD,
            > > > SO THAT YOUR CHILDREN & GRANDCHILDREN SUFFER THE SAME MISTAKE OF
            > > DEGRADING POVERTY WHICH COULD HAVE EASILY BEEN AVOIDED BY HEEDING
            > > HISTORY.
            > > >
            > > > SOCIALISM HAS RUINED EVERY NATION THAT HAS TRIED IT!
            > > > eg: GERMANY, ITALY, USSR, FRANCE etc etc
            > > >
            > > > THE ONLY WAY COMMUNIST NATIONS ESCAPE THE POVERTY OF SOCIALISM
            IS TO
            > > PRACTICE CAPITALISM: eg: CHINA
            > > >
            > > > Do you ralize that every nation America has fought in a major
            > > conflict in the past 80 years has had the word "SOCIALIST" in the
            name
            > > of that nation ? Including both NAZI Germany and the USSR, North
            > > Vietnam, Cambodia, etc etc:
            > > >
            > > > "NAZI" meant "The National SOCIALIST Party"
            > > >
            > > > U.S.S.R. = "United Soviet SOCIALIST Republic"
            > > >
            > > > SOCIALISM IS EQUALLY DANGEROUS WHETHER COMMUNIST OR FACIST
            VARIETY!!
            > > >
            > > > EVERY COMMUNIST NATION USES THE WORD "SOCIALIST" TO DESCRIBE
            > ITSELF!!
            > > > AND OBAMA EMBRACES SOCIALISM WITHOUT APOLOGY !!
            > > >
            > > > DESPITE FACT THAT EVERY KIA MILITARY VET HAS DIED FIGHTING VS
            > SOCIALISM!
            > > > WHEN YOU FEEL THE EARTH MOVE IF OBAMA IS ELECTED, IT WILL BE
            ALL THE
            > > MILLIONS OF DEAD VETS ROLLING OVER IN THEIR GRAVES !!
            > > >
            > > > BETRAYED BY IDIOT POSTERITY, VOTING FOR WHAT THEY DIED FIGHTING
            > AGAINST.
            > > >
            > > >
            > >
            >
            ======================================================================
            ==\
            > ==
            > > >
            > > > Foundation for Economic Education (FEE)
            > > >
            > > > In 1946 Leonard E. Read brought together a group of dedicated
            > > individuals and launched the Foundation for Economic Education,
            (FEE)
            > > - the oldest free-market organization in the United States, to
            promote
            > > the "first principles:" the sanctity of private property,
            > > constitutionally limited government, the rule of law, free
            enterprise,
            > > free trade, market competition, and the moral superiority of
            > > individual choice and responsibility over coercion.
            > > >
            > > > http://www.fee.org/
            > > >
            > > >
            +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
            > > >
            > > > PLEASE CLICK THE LINK BELOW TO SEE AN EXCELLENT SLIDE SHOW:
            > > >
            > > > "The RISE of the United Socialist States of America (USSA)"
            > > >
            > > > http://oldbluewebdesigns.com/USSA.htm
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > OBAMA PLANS TO DISARM AMERICA !!
            > > >
            > > >
            > http://macsmind.com/wordpress/2008/02/27/obama-plans-to-disarm-
            america/
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > UPDATE: Also see new more clearer and longer video here.
            > > >
            > > >
            > >
            > http://macsmind.com/wordpress/2008/06/08/obama-wants-to-protect-
            america/
            > > >
            > > > Protecting American by Disarming Her. Right.
            > > >
            > > > Perhaps American needs protecting…from him.
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Moral_Conservatism/
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Moral_Conservatism/join
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Moral_Conservatism/messages
            > > >
            > >
            >
          • bob_suden
            ... Ebenezer, Your hit and run spam and longwinded scree that `Obama bin Laden is only Biden his time in order to raise McCain outside the Palin on just
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              --- In covenantedreformationclub@yahoogroups.com, Ebenezer Erskine <ebenezer_erskine@...> wrote:
              >
              > 2008 ELECTION IS A REFERENDUM ON SOCIALISM  . . .


              Ebenezer,

              Your  hit and run spam and longwinded  scree that `Obama bin Laden is only Biden his time in order to raise McCain outside the Palin on just about everything' missed a couple of points.

              One,  Reformed Presbyterians consider the US constitution to be illegitimate  in that it is godless/ based on the will of the people contrary to the Second Reformation. Of course the real Ebenezer  Erskine and Secession theology bought  into the idea that whoever providentially holds the office of the magistrate is approved of God,  which is not the RP position either.

              Two, as mentioned previously, if Henry Ford said `you can have any color as long as it's black' when it came to the Model T, as should be only too obvious, the American public can vote for any candidate they want as long as they are socialist.  Nobody though, wants to talk about exactly how much college level socialism or "fascism " is ingrained in the American system as opposed to the more blatant orthodox or high school level "socialism " that the Dem. Obama champions. Our current fascist government system merely controls business and the economy through the independent regulatory commissions and agencies, while under  orthodox socialism,   the state actually owns the means of production.

              Much more could be said, but to cut to the chase, the real question on the `08 Presidential campaign is:

              What would Herr Hitler do?

              Let's see. Adolf was for abortion .
              Looks like we got the rabid Dem abortion monger candidate covered.
              But wait a minute,  didn't  the Nuremburg war crimes trials have something to say about aggressive pre emptive war.
              Oops, kind of sounds like Iraq . . . and maybe Iran  and . . . Georgia/Ossetia and . . . ? Looks like we got the rabid warmonger Repub candidate taken care of.
              In other words, whatever mainstream  candidate you vote for, the bi-partisan Equal Opportunity Hitler base is covered. Yay. Ain't democracy grand?


              Instead of all this talk about voting  "for the lesser of two evils" though -   as if Rom. 3:8 tells us that we may do evil that good may come - the Assembly's Directory for Public Worship  offers much sounder advice:

                  WHEN some great and notable judgments are either inflicted upon a people, or apparently imminent, or by some extraordinary provocations notoriously deserved; as also when some special blessing is to be sought and obtained, publick solemn fasting (which is to continue the whole day) is a duty that God expecteth from that nation or people.


              Psalms 2:1-4 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?   The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,   Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.   He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.  

              Isaiah 8:13  Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.

              Isaiah 26:3  Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee.

              Thank you,

              Bob S.
               
            • Charles Barden
              Great post! Bob...who would you suggest voting for? I have always been one for the Constitution and am a member of the Constitution Party. I also plan on
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                Great post! 

                Bob...who would you suggest voting for?  I have always been one for the Constitution and am a member of the Constitution Party.  I also plan on fasting on Monday with much prayer.  I think that both major candidates are socialists in many respects when you look at their voting records.  I am seriously thinking of writing in Ron Paul as most Montanans are even though I am a Carolinian.  Anyway, you speak the truth.  The god of this world is alive and well I am sad to say, sowing much confusion and dismay.  (no rhyme intended.)

                In Christ Our Lord,

                Charles
                ----- Original Message -----
                From: "bob_suden" <bsuden@...>
                To: covenantedreformationclub@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2008 3:11:22 AM (GMT-0500) Auto-Detected
                Subject: [Covenanted Reformation] Re: 2008 ELECTION IS A REFERENDUM ON SOCIALISM


                --- In covenantedreformationclub@yahoogroups.com, Ebenezer Erskine <ebenezer_erskine@...> wrote:
                >
                > 2008 ELECTION IS A REFERENDUM ON SOCIALISM  . . .


                Ebenezer,

                Your  hit and run spam and longwinded  scree that `Obama bin Laden is only Biden his time in order to raise McCain outside the Palin on just about everything' missed a couple of points.

                One,  Reformed Presbyterians consider the US constitution to be illegitimate  in that it is godless/ based on the will of the people contrary to the Second Reformation. Of course the real Ebenezer  Erskine and Secession theology bought  into the idea that whoever providentially holds the office of the magistrate is approved of God,  which is not the RP position either.

                Two, as mentioned previously, if Henry Ford said `you can have any color as long as it's black' when it came to the Model T, as should be only too obvious, the American public can vote for any candidate they want as long as they are socialist.  Nobody though, wants to talk about exactly how much college level socialism or "fascism " is ingrained in the American system as opposed to the more blatant orthodox or high school level "socialism " that the Dem. Obama champions. Our current fascist government system merely controls business and the economy through the independent regulatory commissions and agencies, while under  orthodox socialism,   the state actually owns the means of production.

                Much more could be said, but to cut to the chase, the real question on the `08 Presidential campaign is:

                What would Herr Hitler do?

                Let's see. Adolf was for abortion .
                Looks like we got the rabid Dem abortion monger candidate covered.
                But wait a minute,  didn't  the Nuremburg war crimes trials have something to say about aggressive pre emptive war.
                Oops, kind of sounds like Iraq . . . and maybe Iran  and . . . Georgia/Ossetia and . . . ? Looks like we got the rabid warmonger Repub candidate taken care of.
                In other words, whatever mainstream  candidate you vote for, the bi-partisan Equal Opportunity Hitler base is covered. Yay. Ain't democracy grand?


                Instead of all this talk about voting  "for the lesser of two evils" though -   as if Rom. 3:8 tells us that we may do evil that good may come - the Assembly's Directory for Public Worship  offers much sounder advice:

                    WHEN some great and notable judgments are either inflicted upon a people, or apparently imminent, or by some extraordinary provocations notoriously deserved; as also when some special blessing is to be sought and obtained, publick solemn fasting (which is to continue the whole day) is a duty that God expecteth from that nation or people.


                Psalms 2:1-4 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?   The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,   Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.   He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.&nb sp; 

                Isaiah 8:13  Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.

                Isaiah 26:3  Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee.

                Thank you,

                Bob S.
                 

              • bob_suden
                Hi Charles, For now, as previously, the short answer is: Reformed Presbyterians consider the US constitution to be illegitimate
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                  Hi  Charles,

                  For now, as previously, the short answer is:  "Reformed Presbyterians consider the US constitution to be illegitimate  in that it is godless/ based on the will of the people contrary to the Second Reformation" and consequently do not vote.

                  (The link on the Nuremburg war crimes trials and aggressive pre emptive war was a glitch. Try here.)

                  thanks,
                  Bob

                  --- In covenantedreformationclub@yahoogroups.com, Charles Barden <cbarden@...> wrote:
                  >
                  >
                  >..who would you suggest voting for?


                • Whit R
                  Being a Reformed Presbyterian, I do vote in Elections. However, I always for a write-in who, though having a very slim chance of being elected, will
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                    Being a Reformed Presbyterian, I do vote in Elections. However, I
                    always for a write-in who, though having a very slim chance of being
                    elected, will challenge the illegitimate Constitution (and hence,
                    unlawful Oath of Office) and seek to restore Christ's Kingship in the
                    land. (None of the current candidates will do that. Hence, my vote
                    for write-in.) Indeed, as Bob pointed out, fasting would be useful
                    during this time.

                    It is not unScriptural to vote in the Election, and voting being
                    unlawful is not an necessary inference from that citation from the
                    Directory. However, it is quite unScriptural to either vote for a
                    female leader OR vote for a candidate who does not seek and maintain
                    Christ's Kingship in Church and State since voting for the lesser of
                    two evils is still voting for evil and hence unlawful voting.

                    Whit
                    Covenanted Reformed Presbyterian
                    Washington Metrop., DC

                    --- In covenantedreformationclub@yahoogroups.com, Charles Barden
                    <cbarden@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Great post!
                    >
                    > Bob...who would you suggest voting for? I have always been one for
                    the Constitution and am a member of the Constitution Party. I also
                    plan on fasting on Monday with much prayer. I think that both major
                    candidates are socialists in many respects when you look at their
                    voting records. I am seriously thinking of writing in Ron Paul as
                    most Montanans are even though I am a Carolinian. Anyway, you speak
                    the truth. The god of this world is alive and well I am sad to say,
                    sowing much confusion and dismay. (no rhyme intended.)
                    >
                    > In Christ Our Lord,
                    >
                    > Charles
                    > ----- Original Message -----
                    > From: "bob_suden" <bsuden@...>
                    > To: covenantedreformationclub@yahoogroups.com
                    > Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2008 3:11:22 AM (GMT-0500) Auto-
                    Detected
                    > Subject: [Covenanted Reformation] Re: 2008 ELECTION IS A REFERENDUM
                    ON SOCIALISM
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > --- In covenantedreformationclub@yahoogroups.com, Ebenezer Erskine
                    <ebenezer_erskine@> wrote:
                    > >
                    > > 2008 ELECTION IS A REFERENDUM ON SOCIALISM . . .
                    >
                    >
                    > Ebenezer,
                    >
                    > Your hit and run spam and longwinded scree that `Obama bin Laden is
                    only Biden his time in order to raise McCain outside the Palin on
                    just about everything' missed a couple of points.
                    >
                    > One, Reformed Presbyterians consider the US constitution to be
                    illegitimate in that it is godless/ based on the will of the people
                    contrary to the Second Reformation. Of course the real Ebenezer
                    Erskine and Secession theology bought into the idea that whoever
                    providentially holds the office of the magistrate is approved of God,
                    which is not the RP position either.
                    >
                    > Two, as mentioned previously, if Henry Ford said `you can have any
                    color as long as it's black' when it came to the Model T, as should
                    be only too obvious, the American public can vote for any candidate
                    they want as long as they are socialist. Nobody though, wants to talk
                    about exactly how much college level socialism or " fascism " is
                    ingrained in the American system as opposed to the more blatant
                    orthodox or high school level " socialism " that the Dem. Obama
                    champions. Our current fascist government system merely controls
                    business and the economy through the independent regulatory
                    commissions and agencies, while under orthodox socialism, the state
                    actually owns the means of production.
                    >
                    > Much more could be said, but to cut to the chase, the real question
                    on the `08 Presidential campaign is:
                    >
                    > What would Herr Hitler do?
                    >
                    > Let's see. Adolf was for abortion .
                    > Looks like we got the rabid Dem abortion monger candidate covered.
                    > But wait a minute, didn't the Nuremburg war crimes trials have
                    something to say about aggressive pre emptive war.
                    > Oops, kind of sounds like Iraq . . . and maybe Iran and . . .
                    Georgia/Ossetia and . . . ? Looks like we got the rabid warmonger
                    Repub candidate taken care of.
                    > In other words, whatever mainstream candidate you vote for, the bi-
                    partisan Equal Opportunity Hitler base is covered. Yay. Ain't
                    democracy grand?
                    >
                    >
                    > Instead of all this talk about voting "for the lesser of two evils"
                    though - as if Rom. 3:8 tells us that we may do evil that good may
                    come - the Assembly's Directory for Public Worship offers much
                    sounder advice:
                    >
                    > WHEN some great and notable judgments are either inflicted upon a
                    people, or apparently imminent, or by some extraordinary provocations
                    notoriously deserved; as also when some special blessing is to be
                    sought and obtained, publick solemn fasting (which is to continue the
                    whole day) is a duty that God expecteth from that nation or people.
                    >
                    >
                    > Psalms 2:1-4 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain
                    thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take
                    counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
                    Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
                    He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them
                    in derision.&nb sp;
                    >
                    > Isaiah 8:13 Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your
                    fear, and let him be your dread.
                    >
                    > Isaiah 26:3 Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is
                    stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee.
                    >
                    > Thank you,
                    >
                    > Bob S.
                    >
                  • Whit R
                    A 2nd thing. The only other Scriptural alternative in Elections (besides the lawful alternative of voting for a Christ-centered write- in) is not voting at
                    Message 9 of 14 , Nov 1, 2008
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                      A 2nd thing. The only other Scriptural alternative in Elections
                      (besides the lawful alternative of voting for a Christ-centered write-
                      in) is not voting at all.

                      Whit
                      Covenanted Reformed Presbyterian
                      Washington Metrop., DC

                      --- In covenantedreformationclub@yahoogroups.com, "Whit R"
                      <covie_pres.1646@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Being a Reformed Presbyterian, I do vote in Elections. However, I
                      > always for a write-in who, though having a very slim chance of
                      being
                      > elected, will challenge the illegitimate Constitution (and hence,
                      > unlawful Oath of Office) and seek to restore Christ's Kingship in
                      the
                      > land. (None of the current candidates will do that. Hence, my
                      vote
                      > for write-in.) Indeed, as Bob pointed out, fasting would be useful
                      > during this time.
                      >
                      > It is not unScriptural to vote in the Election, and voting being
                      > unlawful is not an necessary inference from that citation from the
                      > Directory. However, it is quite unScriptural to either vote for a
                      > female leader OR vote for a candidate who does not seek and
                      maintain
                      > Christ's Kingship in Church and State since voting for the lesser
                      of
                      > two evils is still voting for evil and hence unlawful voting.
                      >
                      > Whit
                      > Covenanted Reformed Presbyterian
                      > Washington Metrop., DC
                      >
                      > --- In covenantedreformationclub@yahoogroups.com, Charles Barden
                      > <cbarden@> wrote:
                      > >
                      > > Great post!
                      > >
                      > > Bob...who would you suggest voting for? I have always been one
                      for
                      > the Constitution and am a member of the Constitution Party. I also
                      > plan on fasting on Monday with much prayer. I think that both major
                      > candidates are socialists in many respects when you look at their
                      > voting records. I am seriously thinking of writing in Ron Paul as
                      > most Montanans are even though I am a Carolinian. Anyway, you speak
                      > the truth. The god of this world is alive and well I am sad to say,
                      > sowing much confusion and dismay. (no rhyme intended.)
                      > >
                      > > In Christ Our Lord,
                      > >
                      > > Charles
                      > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > From: "bob_suden" <bsuden@>
                      > > To: covenantedreformationclub@yahoogroups.com
                      > > Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2008 3:11:22 AM (GMT-0500) Auto-
                      > Detected
                      > > Subject: [Covenanted Reformation] Re: 2008 ELECTION IS A
                      REFERENDUM
                      > ON SOCIALISM
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > --- In covenantedreformationclub@yahoogroups.com, Ebenezer
                      Erskine
                      > <ebenezer_erskine@> wrote:
                      > > >
                      > > > 2008 ELECTION IS A REFERENDUM ON SOCIALISM . . .
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Ebenezer,
                      > >
                      > > Your hit and run spam and longwinded scree that `Obama bin Laden
                      is
                      > only Biden his time in order to raise McCain outside the Palin on
                      > just about everything' missed a couple of points.
                      > >
                      > > One, Reformed Presbyterians consider the US constitution to be
                      > illegitimate in that it is godless/ based on the will of the people
                      > contrary to the Second Reformation. Of course the real Ebenezer
                      > Erskine and Secession theology bought into the idea that whoever
                      > providentially holds the office of the magistrate is approved of
                      God,
                      > which is not the RP position either.
                      > >
                      > > Two, as mentioned previously, if Henry Ford said `you can have
                      any
                      > color as long as it's black' when it came to the Model T, as should
                      > be only too obvious, the American public can vote for any candidate
                      > they want as long as they are socialist. Nobody though, wants to
                      talk
                      > about exactly how much college level socialism or " fascism " is
                      > ingrained in the American system as opposed to the more blatant
                      > orthodox or high school level " socialism " that the Dem. Obama
                      > champions. Our current fascist government system merely controls
                      > business and the economy through the independent regulatory
                      > commissions and agencies, while under orthodox socialism, the state
                      > actually owns the means of production.
                      > >
                      > > Much more could be said, but to cut to the chase, the real
                      question
                      > on the `08 Presidential campaign is:
                      > >
                      > > What would Herr Hitler do?
                      > >
                      > > Let's see. Adolf was for abortion .
                      > > Looks like we got the rabid Dem abortion monger candidate
                      covered.
                      > > But wait a minute, didn't the Nuremburg war crimes trials have
                      > something to say about aggressive pre emptive war.
                      > > Oops, kind of sounds like Iraq . . . and maybe Iran and . . .
                      > Georgia/Ossetia and . . . ? Looks like we got the rabid warmonger
                      > Repub candidate taken care of.
                      > > In other words, whatever mainstream candidate you vote for, the
                      bi-
                      > partisan Equal Opportunity Hitler base is covered. Yay. Ain't
                      > democracy grand?
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Instead of all this talk about voting "for the lesser of two
                      evils"
                      > though - as if Rom. 3:8 tells us that we may do evil that good may
                      > come - the Assembly's Directory for Public Worship offers much
                      > sounder advice:
                      > >
                      > > WHEN some great and notable judgments are either inflicted upon a
                      > people, or apparently imminent, or by some extraordinary
                      provocations
                      > notoriously deserved; as also when some special blessing is to be
                      > sought and obtained, publick solemn fasting (which is to continue
                      the
                      > whole day) is a duty that God expecteth from that nation or people.
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Psalms 2:1-4 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a
                      vain
                      > thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take
                      > counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed,
                      saying,
                      > Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from
                      us.
                      > He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have
                      them
                      > in derision.&nb sp;
                      > >
                      > > Isaiah 8:13 Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be
                      your
                      > fear, and let him be your dread.
                      > >
                      > > Isaiah 26:3 Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is
                      > stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee.
                      > >
                      > > Thank you,
                      > >
                      > > Bob S.
                      > >
                      >
                    • Charles Barden
                      bob... this is new for me. Why is the Constitution godless and therefore illegitimate? Is it because it is based on the will of the people? Were the
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                        bob...

                        this is new for me.  Why is the Constitution godless and therefore illegitimate?  Is it because it is based on the will of the people?  Were the forefathers puritans or pilgrims.  I am aware that Franklin was for lack of a better term agnostic. 

                        Charles
                        ----- Original Message -----
                        From: "bob_suden" <bsuden@...>
                        To: covenantedreformationclub@yahoogroups.com
                        Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2008 2:55:26 PM (GMT-0500) America/New_York
                        Subject: [Covenanted Reformation] Re: 2008 ELECTION IS A REFERENDUM ON SOCIALISM

                        Hi  Charles,

                        For now, as previously, the short answer is:  "Reformed Presbyterians consider the US constitution to be illegitimate  in that it is godless/ based on the will of the people contrary to the Second Reformation" and consequently do not vote.

                        (The link on the Nuremburg war crimes trials and aggressive pre emptive war was a glitch. Try here.)

                        thanks,
                        Bob

                        --- In covenantedreformationclub@yahoogroups.com, Charles Barden <cbarden@...> wrote:
                        >
                        >
                        >..who would you suggest voting for?


                      • Larry Bump
                        ... Both, with a *lot* of presbyterians in the mix. Franklin was a Deist. Washington was a Mason.
                        Message 11 of 14 , Nov 2, 2008
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                          Charles Barden wrote:
                          > bob...
                          >
                          > this is new for me. Why is the Constitution godless and therefore
                          > illegitimate? Is it because it is based on the will of the people?
                          > Were the forefathers puritans or pilgrims. I am aware that Franklin was
                          > for lack of a better term agnostic.


                          Both, with a *lot* of presbyterians in the mix.
                          Franklin was a Deist. Washington was a Mason.
                        • Larry Bump
                          ... Forgot to add, the British Parliament called the 1776 war the Presbyterian Revolt .
                          Message 12 of 14 , Nov 2, 2008
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                            Larry Bump wrote:
                            >
                            > Both, with a *lot* of presbyterians in the mix.
                            > Franklin was a Deist. Washington was a Mason.
                            >

                            Forgot to add, the British Parliament called the 1776 war "the
                            Presbyterian Revolt".
                          • bob_suden
                            ... Yes. One doesn t have to get too far into the argument of the Reformed Presbyterian Testimony against the U.S. Constitution (1840)
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                              > this is new for me.  Why is the Constitution godless and therefore
                              > illegitimate? Is it because it is based on the will of the people
                              ?
                              Yes.   One doesn't have to get too far into the argument of the  Reformed Presbyterian Testimony against the U.S. Constitution (1840)  linked to previously, which is a statement of the historic -not the modern - RP position on the American constitution,   to read  that:

                              1. In the United States Constitution there is no recognition of the Holy Scriptures, as extending their authority over the nation or over any individual citizen. The Preamble to that instrument is as follows:—"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings{43}of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this constitution, for the United States of America."—Among the objects here enumerated, there is not mentioned the observation of the laws of God, either as they are revealed by the light of nature, or in the Holy Scriptures. There is no mention of any rule as paramount to the will of the people, who ordain this fundamental law of the commonwealth.

                              In other words, how can a Christian who professes unqualified  allegiance to  "the prince of the kings of the earth (Rev.1:5)",  the Lord Jesus Christ, in good conscience also pledge allegiance to a document which recognizes no higher authority than "we the people"?

                              Neither  are we to "do evil that good may result (Rom.3:8)" by voting for someone else to take the unlawful oath of office in order to challenge the constitution. (For that matter, how did King Charles by his own lights, do anything different when he swore the SL&C only to annul it in the Acts Recissory?)

                              That is the question/issue and like it or lump it, it is also the classic RP/dissenter/covenanter  objection to the US constitution. (See also Roberts' RP Catechism at the Files page on this forum.) That it is not the position of the 1788 American revision of the Westminster Confession,  which on the basis of the two kingdom theory/doctrine, separates church and the state entirely, should be equally as obvious, regardless that the latter is by far the popular and prevalent
                              point of view today.

                              Thank you

                              Bob S

                              Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.   Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.   Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him. Psalms 2:10-12
                            • puritanone
                              The lies of Obama are numerous, but the growing evidence that the real father of Obama is Frank Marshall Davis (communist and sex pervert), based upon the
                              Message 14 of 14 , Nov 3, 2008
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                                The lies of Obama are numerous, but the growing evidence that the real
                                father of Obama is Frank Marshall Davis (communist and sex pervert),
                                based upon the investigations of journalists such as Andy Martin,
                                reveal what an utter fraud he is.


                                http://www.pr-inside.com/state-of-hawai-i-backs-andy-martin-r893026.htm

                                http://contrariancommentary.blogspot.com/

                                See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1ws00JCxxM (the last half of this
                                I reject, but consider the first half)


                                This is a great judgment of God that such an evil man has risen so far
                                with so much help from many powerful people in our country.

                                - Parnell McCarter
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