RE: [Covenanted Reformation] Re: Iain Murray, (was) Anybody know who this is?
Thanks for sending your pastor's response to Murray.
J. Glenn Ferrell, Pastor, Sovereign Redeemer Presbyterian Church, Boise, Idaho http://sovereignredeemer.org
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:46:21 +0000
Subject: [Covenanted Reformation] Re: Iain Murray, (was) Anybody know who this is?There's this response to I.Murray too, which is shorter than M.Watts.
It's been around longer than the longest, I think, but hasn't been
noticed very much. My pastor wrote it back in 2001.
http://www.truthzon e.co.uk/WHCpsalm sIHM.htm
--- In covenantedreformati onclub@yahoogrou ps.com, "bob_suden"
> Dear Glenn,
> Thank you for explaining your remark.
> I would agree, but also note that Isaac is long dead and only Frame
> has anywhere near the influence or clout of Murray among the serious
> presbyterian and reformed, as opposed to the broadly reformed
> The Banner of Truth/Murray is seen as the last word on Puritan
> (as well that the SL&C/2nd Reformation has been pretty much ignored
> because BoT ignores it.) IMO Schlissel and Jordan are pretty much
> seen as nutcakes and marginal by the conservative
> reformed (TRs)" in the PCA or OPC. In other words, when a guy like
> Murray signs on or finally speaks up about it, that carries some
> weight, like it or not.
> I thought Watts was a little overdone as a response to Murray and
> still prefer Hugh Cartwright's shorter answer.
> Unfortunately Bushell's Songs of Zion is out of print again
> to the Crown & Covenant website.(It still might be available from
> through its Sermonaudio page.) It is still the real answer to Watts
> and the rest of the bunch.
> Thanks again,
> Bob S
> --- In covenantedreformati onclub@yahoogrou ps.com, Glenn Ferrell
> <jglennferrell@ > wrote:
> > Historically speaking, Isaac Watts did more to undermine EP than
> most. In recent years, I think of Steve Schlissel, James Jordan,
> John Frame for a few, who undermine non only EP but the RPW, as
> greater opponents than Iain Murray.
> > GlennJ. Glenn Ferrell, Pastor, Sovereign Redeemer Presbyterian
> Church, Boise, Idaho http://sovereignred eemer.org
> > To: covenantedreformati onclub@: bsuden@: Sun, 30 Mar 2008
> 04:14:55 +0000Subject: [Covenanted Reformation] Re: Iain Murray,
> Anybody know who this is?
> > Hi Glenn,>However, there are other's who deserve the
> opponent"more than he.Who would that be? Bob --- In
> covenantedreformati onclub@yahoogrou ps.com, Glenn
> Ferrell<jglennferre ll@> wrote:>> Deejay:> > I agree Murray's
> and visibility give the opponents of EPsome ammunition. I've heard
> non-EP proponents giving peopleMurray' s booklet as their argument
> against the practice. Apparently,its contents embodies their
> objections and arguments. > > My objection is to labeling him
> of EP's biggest opponents."This implies he has headed an all out
> assault on EP. In fact, hepresents arguments against EP- all of
> are effectively answeredby Malcolm Watts- demonstrating the array of
> such. This might even behelpful in that it provides us with details
> our opponents position,to which we may formulate a response, as Mr.
> Watts did. I foundreading Murray's booklet helpful as I thought
> through the issue andarrived at the opposite conclusion.> > It is
> bad that a former FCoS minister should advance the anti-EPcause.
> However, there are other's who deserve the label "biggestopponent"
> more than he. Also, his non-EP position does not negate hisother
> theological opinions. Like his former associate MartinLloyd- Jones,
> being wrong on EP does not negate his correct theology ona number of
> other matters. All theology must be measured by Scriptureand the
> confessions. > > Glenn> J. Glenn Ferrell, Pastor, Sovereign Redeemer
> Presbyterian Church,Boise, Idaho http://sovereignred eemer.org>