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RE: [Covenanted Reformation] Why Stay at Home?

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  • Deejay
    Not that anyone needs my two bob s worth, but I whole heartedly endorse Larry and Jerry s view on this. I have paid a huge price for taking this stance, as far
    Message 1 of 37 , Mar 16, 2008

      Not that anyone needs my two bob’s worth, but I whole heartedly endorse Larry and Jerry’s view on this. I have paid a huge price for taking this stance, as far as hymn singing in public worship--higher than most folks will ever   know.  But I would rather stay home too, than  have the benefit of the congregation, at the price of a defiled conscience.


      We have just three (to the best of my knowledge) psalm singing RP Churches in England.  But distance is irrelevant as Jerry quite rightly said, but at the time, I could do no other than I did than absent myself from the congregation as far as public worship, even on the occasions my health in those days, would have allowed me to do otherwise.  The last public worship service I attended was three years ago, this Ishtar holiday coming up.  And I have never felt so discomfited and uneasy in an act of worship, having come to believe Psalm singing only was God’s requirement some short time before.  It was hardly beneficial or encouraging to my faith in those circumstances. Even less so when the Pastor of the place of worship, during the service, took to  exhorting hymns verbally, and their value in worship, during that service, he being thoroughly disapproving of my EP beliefs.  I don’t think it is a choice, for many, even tho not all feel the same way about it.  There is  only one choice that can be made.  For me, that was true






      From: covenantedreformationclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:covenantedreformationclub@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Bump
      Sent: 17 March 2008 03:02
      To: covenantedreformationclub@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [Covenanted Reformation] Why Stay at Home?


      Jerry wrote:

      > I'll let Larry speak for himself, of course. But I wouldn't care about
      > 1 mile, 10 miles, 100 miles or 1000 miles. If the issue is principle,
      > distance doesn't make a difference.

      I cannot and will not attend corporate worship where hymns are sung. No
      more than I could where any other sin is required of me. With my
      convictions, attending and sinning is worse than not attending at all.

    • bob_suden
      ... RPNA or RPNA(GM)? Reformed Presbyterian or pseudo presbyterian? Who cares what ... Taking a page from you Ben, on one hand I don t. On the other, there are
      Message 37 of 37 , Mar 22, 2008
        --- In covenantedreformationclub@yahoogroups.com, "benhartmail"
        <benjamin.hart1@...> wrote:
        > Bob,
        > It's ironic that you, who seem to have such a personal disdain for
        > anything RPNA, refuse to let matters drop with them.
        RPNA or RPNA(GM)? Reformed Presbyterian or pseudo presbyterian?

        Who cares what
        > they're doing, as far as you're concerned?
        Taking a page from you Ben, on one hand I don't. On the other, there
        are still people that remained in the group, who seemed to be largely
        untaught and were/are being led about by the nose of their tacit
        consent. You probably won't agree, but I saw and still see,
        FWIW/somewhat of an obligation to warn people about what's up.

        My original question was
        > regarding issues of unity and separation, and I'd like to keep it at
        > that level.
        Then keep it at that level please, but you do come with a background and

        I find your continual harassing of the RPNA--even if
        > justified to some level--unedifying and obnoxious.
        So what? Or should I say, what if I find your comments maudlin,
        unedifying and unable to come to a decent conclusion?

        You've got a blog
        > to take care of your ranting, perhaps you can keep it there.
        Pot, kettle, black.

        I asked
        > a peaceful question and was hoping for a peaceful discussion.
        > As far as the Effort is concerned, I didn't even bring it up in the
        > first place. Edgar asked how I regard those who've been
        > excommunicated by the RPNA and I gave an honest answer. Could you
        > tell that I was a little confused in how to regard you and I wasn't
        > coming down on a hard-and-fast conclusion?
        Sorry, Ben, your past behavior and efforts preceded you.

        > As for being an RPNA clone: have you forgotten who in the RPNA was
        > most vociferously against whoever wrote the law advocate email?
        > Maybe you'd like to know that that email virtually got me
        > excommunicated and is largely why my two girls remain unbaptized.
        Well, praise the Lord. I am glad to see you have some backbone.
        I was unaware of it.
        But one, some of us really were excommunicated and two, that should have
        clued you in to what kind of outfit the elders have become and what kind
        of sinful wickedness the doctrine of tacit consent would lead to.
        Instead, it seems, you waited till they disbanded and let you go. You
        protested our pseudo presbyterian Perry Mason, but not the elders.

        > Here's some advice from Paul that I think you would do well to heed.
        > "I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk
        > worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, with all lowliness
        > and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
        > endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace."

        Galatians 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to
        the face, because he was to be blamed.
        Your dissimulation or confusion might be well meant, but that is still
        what it is.

        > If you have something edifying to say that will advance my
        > understanding of issues of unity and separation, I'd like to hear
        > what you've got to say.
        ?! No comment.

        Otherwise, it would be best to drop the RPNA
        > polemic. You're almost literally beating a dead horse.

        For someone who defended them and bent over backward to excuse them,
        yes, it would be best to drop the matter or tell others to. But I see
        lessons still to be learned and some haven't learned them. You have
        to get off the dime. Edgar asked you how you see us. You remained in the
        group until they let you go, but we were excommunicated from the body of
        Christ. So which is it?
        That's the point.
        But now you're onto something about unity and separation.
        Well, respectfully we can be so studious that we avoid the real issues.
        That's what I see and have always seen with the objections to the

        Bob S
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