Re: [Covenanted Reformation] Re: Why Stay at Home?
- Hi Edgar,I hope this email finds you well! While I can't speak for Ben, my suspicion is that Ben's question was deliberately open-ended so that people might give their own reasons for their practices. Ben, like me, is familiar with some of the 'standard' arguments for staying home and perhaps some reasons for going elsewhere. I know I would like to see if people have any reasons for their practices that might be new to us, and I suspect Ben is in the same boat.Nice to hear from you again,John
On 3/13/08, Ic Neltococayotl <puritanpresbyterian@...> wrote:
How do you answer both questions for your situation, seeing that you
have been/are in them?
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> I'm interested in knowing why covenanters of whatever stripe don't
> attend a local church if there are no covenanter churches in the area?
> How do other covenanters justify their separation in light of many
> explicit commands to do "communal activities" like encouraging,
> exhorting, speaking in psalms, hymns, spiritual songs, etc., to one
> another, and to not forsake the assembling of yourselves with the
> saints, and forbearing the weaknesses of others?
> On the other hand, those who call themselves covenanters who do attend
> churches with whom you disagree, how do you justify your attending
> those churches in light of the arguments for separating from
> backslidden denominations?
> Thanks for whatever insights you may have!
> Kind Regards,
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>RPNA or RPNA(GM)? Reformed Presbyterian or pseudo presbyterian?
> It's ironic that you, who seem to have such a personal disdain for
> anything RPNA, refuse to let matters drop with them.
Who cares what
> they're doing, as far as you're concerned?Taking a page from you Ben, on one hand I don't. On the other, there
are still people that remained in the group, who seemed to be largely
untaught and were/are being led about by the nose of their tacit
consent. You probably won't agree, but I saw and still see,
FWIW/somewhat of an obligation to warn people about what's up.
My original question was
> regarding issues of unity and separation, and I'd like to keep it atThen keep it at that level please, but you do come with a background and
> that level.
I find your continual harassing of the RPNA--even if
> justified to some level--unedifying and obnoxious.So what? Or should I say, what if I find your comments maudlin,
unedifying and unable to come to a decent conclusion?
You've got a blog
> to take care of your ranting, perhaps you can keep it there.Pot, kettle, black.
> a peaceful question and was hoping for a peaceful discussion.Sorry, Ben, your past behavior and efforts preceded you.
> As far as the Effort is concerned, I didn't even bring it up in the
> first place. Edgar asked how I regard those who've been
> excommunicated by the RPNA and I gave an honest answer. Could you
> tell that I was a little confused in how to regard you and I wasn't
> coming down on a hard-and-fast conclusion?
>Well, praise the Lord. I am glad to see you have some backbone.
> As for being an RPNA clone: have you forgotten who in the RPNA was
> most vociferously against whoever wrote the law advocate email?
> Maybe you'd like to know that that email virtually got me
> excommunicated and is largely why my two girls remain unbaptized.
I was unaware of it.
But one, some of us really were excommunicated and two, that should have
clued you in to what kind of outfit the elders have become and what kind
of sinful wickedness the doctrine of tacit consent would lead to.
Instead, it seems, you waited till they disbanded and let you go. You
protested our pseudo presbyterian Perry Mason, but not the elders.
> Here's some advice from Paul that I think you would do well to heed.Galatians 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to
> "I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk
> worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, with all lowliness
> and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
> endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace."
the face, because he was to be blamed.
Your dissimulation or confusion might be well meant, but that is still
what it is.
> If you have something edifying to say that will advance my?! No comment.
> understanding of issues of unity and separation, I'd like to hear
> what you've got to say.
Otherwise, it would be best to drop the RPNA
> polemic. You're almost literally beating a dead horse.For someone who defended them and bent over backward to excuse them,
yes, it would be best to drop the matter or tell others to. But I see
lessons still to be learned and some haven't learned them. You have
to get off the dime. Edgar asked you how you see us. You remained in the
group until they let you go, but we were excommunicated from the body of
Christ. So which is it?
That's the point.
But now you're onto something about unity and separation.
Well, respectfully we can be so studious that we avoid the real issues.
That's what I see and have always seen with the objections to the