Edgar Formal Complaint - Forthcoming
- Dear Edgar,
I wish to inform you that I stand by my testimony against you, but am
very concerned about the method that you and others inside "The
Effort" (I guess that is what you are calling yourselves) now desire
in having these cases brought before the court of public opinion.
Although my complaint against you is public in nature, I am firmly
opposed to your method of trying this before an audience on
I understand that you believe that only a court within specific local
boundaries determined by a maximum distance, and that Elders who
perform acceptable mutual duties over you, would have acquired or
obtained jurisdiction to hear any formal complaint against you. Any
court that does not conform to the definitions as you wrote in your
letter to the Elders after you were excommunicated has not authority
over you. I've read your letter again and find it a most ridiculous
definition of jurisdiction and firmly testify against you as an
Unfortunately, I have no way to formerally bring charges against you,
as I refuse to see these cases tried before a court of public opinion,
and I refuse to have Bob Suden begin posting my arguments on his web
site and then cut them apart sentence by sentence, or paragraph by
paragraph with a bunch of spin and jokes. I firmly testify that The
Effort that you "covenanters" are involved in (and have been involved
in since before July 10, 2006) is of no interest to me.
When Shawn wrote to you on July 10, 2006, "Those in Albany have
maintained certain rules of oder: 1. In their meetings there is a
facilitator and a records keeper. 2. There has to be explicit consent
prior to introducing any to the effort. 3. Any new households that
are introduced to the effort, are done by 2 delegates. (There were
circumstances in which one was sufficient.)"
This tells me at least those of you in Albany were engaged in The
Effort before July 10, 2006 according to this seceret communication.
Unfortuately, I don't know how you organized secretly The Effort since
I was not included, and obviously a lot of families in our church were
not included. Bob says I was not included because I asked to be
excluded from the public broadcast lists, but I don't remember ever
asking to be taken off the PRCE list during this period. Further, I
understand I was not invited because I showed too much support for the
Elders, but I welcomed public dialogue over PPSA and never could get
any feedback. I now understand why nobody participated.
The Elders wrote on June 4, 2006:
"June 4, 2006
Dear Brothers and Sisters,
Attached is a paper titled "Position Paper and Response To Questions
Circulated About Sessional Authority Within The RPNA (General
Meeting)" The first paragraph of the paper is quoted below:
"In the Response that is before you, the Session has decided to focus
its attention upon questions that have been circulated both publicly
and privately as it relates in various ways to the authority possessed
by the Session of the RPNA (General Meeting). We thank you for your
patience in awaiting a Response to the questions that have been
raised. We propose first that you carefully consider what is found in
our Response. Second, we recommend that you privately send questions
of clarification to us which we will publicly post, and to which
questions we will publicly respond (as quickly as we are able to do).
Third, after your questions of clarification have been submitted and
answered, we will consider (if we deem it necessary and profitable at
that time) how we might formulate a plan to facilitate a forum that
will lead to a profitable discussion for everyone who desires to do so."
The Session of the RPNA (General Meeting)
Pastor Greg Price
Ruling Elder Lyndon Dohms
Ruling Elder Greg Barrow"
It will be interesting to find out when you guys formed your secret
society to avoid the process the Elders organized to work through a
The PPSA was immediately after Rick Taron was excommunicated, and I
wonder if those of you involved in The Effort were in communication
with him leading up to his excommunication. Maybe he was your
sacrificial lamb of sort to start this whole trend of
excommunications, but it sure would be nice to know how much creation
of this secret society was ongoing between June 4, 2006 and July 10,
2006 when you had formalized your membership families into The Effort.
I published on June 18, 2006 on the PRCE site:
"For those interested, the book below is available on CD #13 of the PB
*/The Reasons Presented by the Dissenting Brethren Against Certain
Propositions Concerning Presbyterial Government. And the Proofs of
them Voted by the Assembly of Divines, sitting by authority of
Parliament, at Westminster. Together With the Answer of the Assembly
of Divines to those Reasons of Dissent/ (1648)*
It is interesting to note, as Hetherington points out in his /History
of the Westminster Assembly of Divines/ (p. 220), that,
(i)n their answer, the Assembly Divines seem almost to have been
ashamed to analyze and expose the weak sophistry of the Dissenting
Brethren's argument... but by availing themselves of the concessions
made by the Independents in the course of their own illustrations,
they completely overthrow the whole Congregational theory. Regarding
the book itself Hetherington writes,
These reasons of Dissent, and the Answers by the Assembly, occupied
the attention of that venerable body during the conclusion of the year
1644, and the early part of the year 1645; and when fully completed,
both the reasons and the answers were submitted to the consideration
of the Parliament for a considerable time, and when the discussions of
the Assembly had terminated, an order was issued by the House of
Lords, on the 24th of January 1648 (or 1647, according to their
style), that these reasons and answers should be printed from the
papers in the hands of Adoniram Byfield, one of the Assembly's
scribes, after having been inspected by Messrs Goodwin and Whittaker,
to secure their genuineness and authenticity; and they were published
in the same year... In the year 1652, the same publication received a
new title-page, and was called */The Grand Debate concerning
Presbytery and Independency, by the Assembly of Divines convened at
Westminster by authority of Parliament/* (/History of the Westminster
Assembly of Divines/, pp. 221-222).
*In short, this is a definitive answer to the best the Independents
had to offer!* This photocopy is taken from what had previously been
Samuel Miller's personal copy of this title. 314 pages."
I just went and looked at the PRCE site and noticed nobody responded
to me on that book. It is obvious why Bob and others speak so
publically against that book as a non-binding authority. Well, as I
understand it, the document was formerally approved and published as
part of the official record of the Westminster Assembly.
Nevertheless, I understand that the RPNA (GM) will be putting out the
paper giving much more information to me and others so that we can
make a fair assessment of your "Effort" and why many of us were really
excluded from this secret society within our church.
Once I have this information, I will figure out a formal way to bring
my own charges against you Edgar, but until then, I am waiting for the
information to complete my assessment. That information will not be
published on Bob's site, along with a lot of the complete information.
He may be shouting from the roof tops, but I suspect secretly there
is a lot more devilish reasons behind what is not being told. My hope
is that this paper will be published soon.
However brother, let me assure you, once I have the complete
information you will be the first to know. I want you to know that I
acknowledge your comments against me to prove my statements in calling
you a liar, and I assure you I will figure out a way to do this
without bringing it before your and others preferred venue, the court
of public opinion. I'll be leaving the early next week and will not
return until March 30, and access to internet will not be as easy as
it is now, so if you and others start sending messages to the court of
public opinion, and I cannot respond timely know it is not because I
not able, and it is not my preferred method to pursue this case.
May the Lord be with you,