Re: Amish Disciples
- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "timmopussycat"
>I lived in Lancaster County for 5 years. My wife and I had our first
> Some here may know this but others may not.
apartment in Lancaster, our first son was born in Lancaster. I now
live in a neighboring county (where I was born and raised). I've
bought stuff from Amish, I've eaten in Amish homes, laughed with
Amish, talked at length with Amish, I've even been kicked by Amish
people (part of my job), and (also as part of my job) we've been
supplying the Amish community with counseling and other help following
There are some Amish people I am quite fond of. I have a great
respect for their family life, their work ethic, their lack of
worldliness, their compassion, and THEIR FOOD.
But they have some problems, some real ANTI-Christian problems. This
comment followed the article Tim linked to, and it makes some
(beginning of quote)
"That sounds lovely, and it has its applications, but such principles
cannot be universalized. The pacifism and instant forgiveness of the
Amish is not a model for the state, which must at times pursue justice
in the form of retribution. It's not even something that works very
well for the Amish themselves. I cannot help but think that if those
poor kids, as well as others who have been murdered in schools by
maniacs, had been protected in some way by an armed guard, this may
not have happened.
"Seeing the Amish so willing to reach out to the family of the man who
murdered some of their own children is indeed touching and impressive,
but these sentiments die away when I think of the fact that these same
people would not and will not bear arms to defend innocent lives. They
would not do it during World War II. They would not have done it when
these students were being threatened. There is virtue in being willing
to die for one's principles, but when those principles force you to
let others die, the principles are vicious, not virtuous.
"I hope that our society learns something about compassion from the
Amish, but may their message of pacifism fall on deaf ears."
(end of quote)
This pacifism is problematic, and even wicked, when taken in it's
entirety the way the Amish teach it and live it. As a matter of
principle, an average Amishman would not physically resist a violent
rapist systematically working his way through an Amish household.
(Next time you're makin' talk with an Amishman, ask him what he would
do in such a scenerio, he'll tell you the same.) This is detestable
and NOT to be modelled by Christians! Again, there are many good
things about the Amish. There are things I LOVE about them, but
pacifism is NOT one of them.
Their pelagianism is another, but that's a different topic for another