Re: Protesters say no to the Facist song
I find it difficult to resolve your position with that of Calvin on
his populating and ruling of Geneva, which is fine. I do not think
that Calvin would allow Roman Catholics to re-populate Geneva, just
because they were there before him. Nobody says you have to be
exactly like Calvin, though. I still maintain, that it would be in
the Mexican people's best interest to enter the US, provided they
were civil law-abiding, even as many little old Mexican ladies are.
I DO NOT like ripping them off in their wages, just because they
have a somewhat better opportunity in the States, as compared to the
opportunities in Mexico. If I were an employer, I would still pay a
fair and competitive wage. This is the Will of God in "loving our
neighbor, as our selves." I also believe men who have large truly
Christian families should be paid more per hour! This according to
the "Law of Love." They simply require more to support their
> The US government, just as the Mexican government has persecutedthe
> indigenous people for political reasons, NOT religious ones.Presby.dobee gratefully responds:
I do not believe history will bear this out. Read the following
short piece on the US and the Mexican Revolution (warning; there are
some Papist references, that I retain to maintain historical
"The U. S. and the Mexican Revolution"
The spread of the Revolution as part of (the unwritten) U.S.
policy also increased back here on the continent. Just as the U.S.
supported previous revolutionary uprisings in Mexico, it would do so
again. During the time period of 1912-1913, a new Masonic-Marxist
revolution started to take shape in our southern neighbor. The
Wilson Administration encouraged and armed the revolutionists.
Mexico's rightful leader at the time was Victoriano Huerta. (He has
been unjustly accused of murdering the previous president, Francisco
Madera. The fact is, he was not able to control the more radical of
his fellow party members.) Huerta had successfully crushed some of
the rebel groups encouraged by Wilson. Wilson sent a delegation to
meet with Huerta, who was told by a commission of both Mexican and
U.S. Masons that the U.S. would recognize his government if he
joined them. He refused. Pulling out his brown scapular, Huerta
proclaimed: "No, I am a Catholic, if a poor one, and that is my
platform." He declared that God's laws would be the law of the land.
This only made the Masons and Marxists revolutionaries angrier.
In April of 1914, President Wilson, through his Secretary of
the Navy, Josephus Daniels, sent the U.S. Navy to take Vera Cruz and
later Tampico. These were Huerta's only channels for supplies. He
thus lost the necessary supplies to fight off the revolutionaries.
Huerto was forced to flee Mexico City in August. Masonic
revolutionary leaders, such as Venustiano Carranza, Alvero Obregon,
and Plutarco Elias Calles, took control by summer's end. Carranza
then became Mexico's new president. The revolutionists then
proceeded to imprison priests and nuns, seize churches and convents
and close Catholic schools.
In 1917, the Mexican revolutionaries had adopted a new
constitution for the republic. Many of its articles aimed not simply
at crippling the Church in Mexico, but at eliminating her. What they
had already begun to do by force, they now made into law. However,
some of these anti-Catholic articles were not enforced throughout
all of Mexico by Carranza and his administration. Carranza was more
concerned about gaining wealth for himself than anything else. He
began to lose control of the other revolutionaries.
By 1920, it was clear that no one wanted Carranza to continue
as president. Obregon and Calles marched with forces into Mexico
City. Carranza escaped with bags of gold from the country's treasury
and was later shot by bandits. Alvero Obregon became the new
president. His revolutionary government was recognized by the U.S.,
but was feared by Mexican Catholics. Obregon was one of the ones who
led the persecutions against the Church mentioned above. Soon, their
fears came true.
In February, 1921, the door of the archbishop's palace in
Mexico City was blown up by dynamite. In June a bomb exploded at the
archbishops residence in Guadalajara. In November a man entered the
basilica in Guadalupe and planted a time bomb concealed by flowers
before the miraculous image of Our Lady on St. Juan Diego's tilma.
The bomb exploded. Its shock waves burst the stained-glass windows
all around the basilica. Glass was everywhere. The heavy crucifix
above the altar was twisted into a semi-circle. But the miraculous
image of Our Lady on the tilma was unharmed! The glass covering was
not even cracked. God had preserved the holy image by a miracle.
Catholics knew, something had to be done. Their religion and
Catholic culture was under direct attack.
Obgregon was succeeded in December, 1924, by Plutarco Calles,
who was more anti-Catholic than any of the revolutionaries. He
publicly declared, "I have a personal hatred for Christ." He was
determined to enforce all the anti-Catholic articles of the 1917
constitution. Not satisfied with that, in 1926 he decreed new laws
of his own. They were meant to bring the Catholic Church completely
under control of the Mexican state. He began closing down
seminaries, and even took over Catholic orphanages and homes for the
elderly. By March, 1926, 200 foreign-born priests were forced out of
the country, and 83 convents and monasteries had been closed.
Under the 1917 constitution all church buildings in Mexico
became property of the state, but in most cases they could still be
used by priests to offer the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. Yet -
priests were now obligated by law to register with the state -which
would dictate what they ~ could and could not do. In protest against
the law decreed by Calles in 1926, the bishops of the, country did
something never done in the history of the Church anywhere in the
world before ~ then. They ?rdered the nation'.s priests to withdraw
fro~ t~e chur~h~s. For~he first time since the I ' Spanish arrIved
400 years earlIer, Mass would not be saId In publIc In MeXICO.
Deprived of Mass and realizing that the bishops would not act
as they did if not forced by. Calles, by summer of 1926 thousands of
Catholic peasants rose up to resist the Marxist-Masonic
revolutionary government. Their resistance is known as the Cristero
Rebellion on account of I their battle cry, "Viva Cristo REY!"
("Long live Christ the King!")
The Cristero Rebellion is one of the most heroic episodes in
Catholic history. It was clearly a religious and Catholic crusade.
It was a defense of the Faith, the Church, and Catholic culture ",
against anti-Christ forces. It lasted three years. Forty thousand of
the peasant-warriors fell in battle, but they killed 60,000 of the
soldiers fighting for the atheistic government. By May, 1929, they
were close to victory. Had they won, Mexico would have had a
Catholic government, but the U.S. government would not allow it.
U.S. Ambassador to Mexico, Dwight Morrow, who became Calles'
close personal friend, saw to it that Calles received everything he
needed militarily and financially to prevail. Meantime, he worked
behind the scenes to arrive at "arrangements" between the government
and bishops that would end the fighting. On his side, Calles
promised to leave the Church in peace if the bishops agreed to order
the Cristeros to lay down their arms, but Morrow did not require
that the promise be put into writing and signed. The bishops then
ordered the Cristeros to lay down their arms and accept the
agreement offered by Calles. So it was that after the Cristeros
surrendered their guns, government firing squads began shooting
them. More than 5,000 disarmed Catholic warriors were murdered in
this way, and the persecution of the Church would last another ten
years. Ambassador Morrow did no more than faithfully act as the
instrument of U.S. policy. That is what ambassadors do. Thus, with
the aid of the United States, the last chance of a Catholic
government on the North American Continent was lost.
In Mexico there is an old saying: "Poor Mexico! So far from God, and
so near the United States!"
- Not all of it, but God has used it to provide a country for you to live in, and support as a
Patriot, in all things in accord with the teaching of Scripture. All things contrary to
Scripture, such as the killing of babies in the womb, homosexuality, heresy, etc. is sin
against a most merciful and loving God, who is Himself, Love. He even commands us to
love our enemies, as He does, and to love the Cross he gives us. How wonderful is Jesus
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, John McNamara <jpmmack@...>
>the earlier wickedness of American "Manifest
> And you are saying that American Manifest Destiny was good??
> John McNamara
> "presby.dobee" <presby.dobee@...> wrote: Parnell wrote: "...probably is a judgment on
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