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[Covenanted Reformation] Re: Mayflower Compact - A Covenant

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  • Fred blahous
    G day Larry, Galations 3:28 is a verse talking about soteriology. At the time the Judaizers in the church were arguing that all Gentiles had to enter into the
    Message 1 of 4 , Dec 2, 2005
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      G'day Larry,

      Galations 3:28 is a verse talking about soteriology. At the time the
      Judaizers in the church were arguing that all Gentiles had to enter
      into the Gentile's Court and become Jews, receiving an inferior
      status as mere converts. The same principle applied to Mamzers at
      the time. (those who were born of Jewish and non-Jewish parents).
      What Paul does here is correct this false assumption on the part of
      Jewish believers by showing that there is one way of salvation for
      all people (by confessing Jesus as the Christ), and denying that
      slaves and women were to have different paths to heaven as believed
      by Greek pagans at the time.

      The verse is not speaking about people becoming one kingdom of all
      ethnicities, nor does it nullify the Mosaic principle of marriage
      within ones own people, otherwise there would be no grounds for
      denying marriage to two men or two women, "neither male nor female".

      In fact it could be used against the idea by showing that gentiles
      were NOT required to become Jewish, but were to remain Greeks,
      Scythians (Scots), Barbarians (Germans), etc. I think a lot of
      Jewish opposition to the gospel could be overcome if we did more to
      help them realise that we do not want to destroy their Ashkenazi
      heritage, only the denial of Christ encapsulated in their laws and
      certain reversals of the Written Law by Rabbinic traditions.

      As regards the bible and ethnic seperation, the book of Genesis
      itself clearly states that God was responsible for scattering us all
      into different kingdoms and tribes. Revelations says that these
      kingdoms and tribes will be worshipping Him in heaven. This does
      seem to bear some relation to ethnic seperation. In fact, if it
      weren't for the sinful practises of slaving, forced intermarriage,
      snatching of children from mothers, and use of rape as a tool of
      conquest, in USA, Australia, and the hispanic lands respectively,
      the point would be moot, since there would be no aliens for us to be
      yoked to. Does it not seem strange to you that what we are
      discussing would be impossible if not for the sinful behaviour of
      others?

      All the best to you,
      Fred.

      --- In covenantedreformationclub@yahoogroups.com, "Larry Bump"
      <lbump@b...> wrote:
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      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: "Fred blahous" <fritzbau@y...>
      >
      > > While I would not consider it a fellowship issue, I believe the
      best
      > > thing for believers to do is seperate into their own kingdoms and
      > > produce after their own kind, just like the plants and animals.
      >
      > How does the verse "
      > 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free,
      there is
      > neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
      29And if you
      > are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to
      the
      > promise."
      >
      > fit into this philosophy of separation?
      >
      > The Bible knows of no such ethnic separation in society.
      >
      >
      >
      > Larry
      >
      >
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    • Larry Bump
      ... From: Fred blahous ... Actually, it is dealing with the covenant community here on Earth, not salvation per se. So your basic
      Message 2 of 4 , Dec 2, 2005
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        From: "Fred blahous" <fritzbau@...>

        > G'day Larry,
        >
        > The verse is not speaking about people becoming one kingdom of all
        > ethnicities, nor does it nullify the Mosaic principle of marriage
        > within ones own people, otherwise there would be no grounds for
        > denying marriage to two men or two women, "neither male nor female".

        Actually, it is dealing with the covenant community here on Earth, not
        salvation per se. So your basic thesis is refuted, not reinforced by this
        passage.

        The Mosaic principle of marriage within one's own people was either
        A) A command ot marry only believers, or
        B) a command not to marry the tribes which were marked as unclean by God,
        and marked for destruction.

        Note that Moses married a non-Jew, and Miriam ws punished for complaining
        about it. If your thesis were true, Miriam would have been upheld, not
        punished.
        Your claim that to allow marriage outside of "race" would allow homosexual
        marriage is simply absurd, and far beneath your intellect and demonstrated
        godliness in other areas.

        No, your thesis is racist, and abhorrent to God. I pray that your eyes will
        be opened to your sin.

        Larry





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      • trygvesson@aol.com
        In a message dated 12/2/2005 10:58:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, fritzbau@yahoo.com.au writes: I have argued strictly from a YEC point of view and subscribe to
        Message 3 of 4 , Dec 2, 2005
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          In a message dated 12/2/2005 10:58:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, fritzbau@... writes:
          "I have argued strictly from a YEC point of view and subscribe to Geocentrism."
           
           
          Fred,
           
          Jusrt curious, did you come to your geo-centrism in part through any influence from South African Philip Stodt? Also, do you subscribe to the flat earth too?
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          Christopher Coombes
          Lynchburg Reformed Presbyterian Fellowship,
          Lynchburg, VA
          Member, Triangle RPC
          RPCNA


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