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  • Larry Bump
    ... From: Fred blahous ... How does the verse 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither
    Message 1 of 4 , Nov 30, 2005
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      From: "Fred blahous" <fritzbau@...>

      > While I would not consider it a fellowship issue, I believe the best
      > thing for believers to do is seperate into their own kingdoms and
      > produce after their own kind, just like the plants and animals.

      How does the verse "
      28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is
      neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you
      are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the
      promise."

      fit into this philosophy of separation?

      The Bible knows of no such ethnic separation in society.



      Larry



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    • Fred blahous
      G day Larry, Galations 3:28 is a verse talking about soteriology. At the time the Judaizers in the church were arguing that all Gentiles had to enter into the
      Message 2 of 4 , Dec 2, 2005
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        G'day Larry,

        Galations 3:28 is a verse talking about soteriology. At the time the
        Judaizers in the church were arguing that all Gentiles had to enter
        into the Gentile's Court and become Jews, receiving an inferior
        status as mere converts. The same principle applied to Mamzers at
        the time. (those who were born of Jewish and non-Jewish parents).
        What Paul does here is correct this false assumption on the part of
        Jewish believers by showing that there is one way of salvation for
        all people (by confessing Jesus as the Christ), and denying that
        slaves and women were to have different paths to heaven as believed
        by Greek pagans at the time.

        The verse is not speaking about people becoming one kingdom of all
        ethnicities, nor does it nullify the Mosaic principle of marriage
        within ones own people, otherwise there would be no grounds for
        denying marriage to two men or two women, "neither male nor female".

        In fact it could be used against the idea by showing that gentiles
        were NOT required to become Jewish, but were to remain Greeks,
        Scythians (Scots), Barbarians (Germans), etc. I think a lot of
        Jewish opposition to the gospel could be overcome if we did more to
        help them realise that we do not want to destroy their Ashkenazi
        heritage, only the denial of Christ encapsulated in their laws and
        certain reversals of the Written Law by Rabbinic traditions.

        As regards the bible and ethnic seperation, the book of Genesis
        itself clearly states that God was responsible for scattering us all
        into different kingdoms and tribes. Revelations says that these
        kingdoms and tribes will be worshipping Him in heaven. This does
        seem to bear some relation to ethnic seperation. In fact, if it
        weren't for the sinful practises of slaving, forced intermarriage,
        snatching of children from mothers, and use of rape as a tool of
        conquest, in USA, Australia, and the hispanic lands respectively,
        the point would be moot, since there would be no aliens for us to be
        yoked to. Does it not seem strange to you that what we are
        discussing would be impossible if not for the sinful behaviour of
        others?

        All the best to you,
        Fred.

        --- In covenantedreformationclub@yahoogroups.com, "Larry Bump"
        <lbump@b...> wrote:
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        >
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: "Fred blahous" <fritzbau@y...>
        >
        > > While I would not consider it a fellowship issue, I believe the
        best
        > > thing for believers to do is seperate into their own kingdoms and
        > > produce after their own kind, just like the plants and animals.
        >
        > How does the verse "
        > 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free,
        there is
        > neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
        29And if you
        > are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to
        the
        > promise."
        >
        > fit into this philosophy of separation?
        >
        > The Bible knows of no such ethnic separation in society.
        >
        >
        >
        > Larry
        >
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      • Larry Bump
        ... From: Fred blahous ... Actually, it is dealing with the covenant community here on Earth, not salvation per se. So your basic
        Message 3 of 4 , Dec 2, 2005
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          From: "Fred blahous" <fritzbau@...>

          > G'day Larry,
          >
          > The verse is not speaking about people becoming one kingdom of all
          > ethnicities, nor does it nullify the Mosaic principle of marriage
          > within ones own people, otherwise there would be no grounds for
          > denying marriage to two men or two women, "neither male nor female".

          Actually, it is dealing with the covenant community here on Earth, not
          salvation per se. So your basic thesis is refuted, not reinforced by this
          passage.

          The Mosaic principle of marriage within one's own people was either
          A) A command ot marry only believers, or
          B) a command not to marry the tribes which were marked as unclean by God,
          and marked for destruction.

          Note that Moses married a non-Jew, and Miriam ws punished for complaining
          about it. If your thesis were true, Miriam would have been upheld, not
          punished.
          Your claim that to allow marriage outside of "race" would allow homosexual
          marriage is simply absurd, and far beneath your intellect and demonstrated
          godliness in other areas.

          No, your thesis is racist, and abhorrent to God. I pray that your eyes will
          be opened to your sin.

          Larry





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        • trygvesson@aol.com
          In a message dated 12/2/2005 10:58:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, fritzbau@yahoo.com.au writes: I have argued strictly from a YEC point of view and subscribe to
          Message 4 of 4 , Dec 2, 2005
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            In a message dated 12/2/2005 10:58:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, fritzbau@... writes:
            "I have argued strictly from a YEC point of view and subscribe to Geocentrism."
             
             
            Fred,
             
            Jusrt curious, did you come to your geo-centrism in part through any influence from South African Philip Stodt? Also, do you subscribe to the flat earth too?
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            Christopher Coombes
            Lynchburg Reformed Presbyterian Fellowship,
            Lynchburg, VA
            Member, Triangle RPC
            RPCNA


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