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  • Larry Bump
    Dude, that was unreadable. Larry ... From: Shawn Anderson To: Sent: Tuesday,
    Message 1 of 2 , Nov 22, 2005
      Dude, that was unreadable.


      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Shawn Anderson" <christ_saves_sinners@...>
      To: <covenantedreformationclub@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 1:04 PM
      Subject: [Covenanted Reformation] Upholding the obligations found in the

      I understand why the World would not want to promise to believe and practice
      the True Christian Religion. They hate the yoke of Christ, and the yoke of
      all His ordinances. What I don't understand is why the Reformed and
      Presbyterian Churches are so offended at this truth? The Covenants are the
      very remedy for our society. Medicine is simply a means to God's healing, as
      the Covenants are the means of medicine to this cancerous society.>>> >We
      cannot advance the lace w:st="on">lacetype w:st="on">Kingdomlacetype> of
      lacename w:st="on">Christlacename>lace> through joining the ranks of
      pluralism and toleration and pretended fraternal relations, and false unity
      just so we look good. In other words, Christ's Kingdom is not promoted
      through manmade ordinances.>>> >So Mr. Coombes asks of us Covenanters, "To
      my point, you are simply incapable of really upholding the SL&C. No, you
      disagree? Well, how are YOU really and actively upholding the SL&C and NC
      today? By being the discussion forum police? Do you think that is what the
      Scots really had in mind, or what the document demands? For an answer, I
      want more than yet another suggested link or another lengthy cut and paste
      job in terms of providing mere lip service. If you have the audacity to make
      the repeated accusations you make against us and continually accuse us as
      knowing covenant breakers and backsiders, then I think it is entirely fair
      to turn this around and ask the question, and I want to really know in your
      own words how YOU and those you know personally in the RPNA are really and
      actively upholding the SL&C and NC today. Not just lip service on the
      Internet by being the SL&C e-mail police, but how is this being done on a
      day to day basis?>> >>What are you doing according to your place and
      calling, in this common cause of religion, liberty, and peace of the
      kingdoms, to assist and defend all those that enter into or have entered
      into the League and Covenant? What are you currently doing for reformation
      and defense of religion, the honour and happiness of the King, and the peace
      and safety, of the three kingdoms of Scotland, England, and lace
      w:st="on">Irelandlace>? >> >>Answer this honestly for yourself, not using a
      hermeneutic to interpret the obligations of the covenant that is similar in
      execution to how the Framework Hypothesis is used by the liberals to
      interpret Genesis, but really and honestly grammatically historically look
      at the parties and outlined obligations of the covenant, and explain to me
      how you actually fulfill those obligations.">>> >Let me first say Mr.
      Coombes, thank you. This was a very helpful exercise. It made me consider
      all the more my duties to God and man. To even review the faith of our
      forefathers found in the Covenant is very encouraging.>>> >Secondly, Thank
      you for your comments in regards to how you uphold the True Religion. I
      found nothing that I disagree with the steps you have stated to fulfill your
      moral obligations (though you understand that I might add a few extra
      obligations). Covenanting, understood correctly is swearing, or promising to
      fulfill your moral obligations as a member of Christ's Church. It is like
      when you take the stand as a witness, and they ask if you solemnly swear to
      tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. And you reply, I
      swear. You were already bound by moral obligation to swear to tell the
      truth, but you have additionally obligated yourself as a witness. This is
      the essence of Covenanting.>>> >God has provided a means, or ordinance, for
      us to be able to additionally bind ourselves to these moral obligations. It
      is a wonderful means of grace.>>> >And so again, thank you for the present
      exercise. Here is my answer in a broad context of the Church, and not as an
      individual. This is of course a superficial start.>>> >"We, noblemen,
      barons, knights, gentlemen, citizens, burgesses, ministers of the Gospel,
      and commons of all sorts, in the kingdoms of Scotland, England, and Ireland,
      by the providence of GOD living under one king, and being of one reformed
      religion, having before our eyes the glory of God, and the advancement of
      the kingdom of our Lord and Saviour JESUS CHRIST, the honour and happiness
      of the king's majesty and his posterity, and the true public liberty,
      safety, and peace of the kingdom, wherein every one's private condition is
      included: and calling to mind the treacherous and bloody plots,
      conspiracies, attempts, and practices of the enemies of GOD, against the
      true religion and professors thereof in all places, especially in these
      three kingdoms, ever since the reformation of religion; and how much their
      rage, power, and presumption, are of late, and at this time, increased and
      exercised, whereof the deplorable state of the Church and kingdom of
      Ireland, the distressed state of the Church and kingdom of England, and the
      dangerous state of the Church and kingdom of Scotland, are present and
      public testimonies: we have now at last (after other means of supplication,
      remonstrance, protestation, and sufferings), for the preservation of
      ourselves and our religion from utter ruin and destruction, according to the
      commendable practice of these kingdoms in former times, and the example of
      GOD'S people in other nations, after mature deliberation, resolved and
      determined to enter into a Mutual and Solemn League and Covenant, wherein we
      all subscribe, and each one of us for himself, with our hands lifted up to
      the Most High GOD, do swear, >>> >In the Prologue, we are bound in our
      several callings and places to take up this covenant WITH GOD. Notice it is
      not people covenanting with other people. Two parties are represented - 1)
      The King's Dominion and 2) God. >>> >Also, though it really goes without
      saying, those who want to say that Social Covenanting is an Old Testament
      ordinance - my answer is take it up with the Reformers. We grant that all
      are bound to these duties with or without covenanting - But that is not the
      issue. The issue is whether or not we are bound to keep lawful promises that
      our forefathers made to God to aid us in the keeping of our duties.>>> >"I.
      That we shall sincerely, really, and constantly, through the grace of GOD,
      endeavor, in our several places and callings, the preservation of the
      reformed religion in the Church of Scotland, in doctrine, worship,
      discipline, and government, against our common enemies; the reformation of
      religion in the kingdoms of England and Ireland, in doctrine, worship,
      discipline, and government, according to the Word of GOD, and the example of
      the best reformed Churches; and shall endeavour to bring the Churches of GOD
      in the three kingdoms to the nearest conjunction and uniformity in religion,
      Confession of Faith, Form of Church Government, Directory for Worship and
      Catechising; that we, and our posterity after us, may, as brethren, live in
      faith and love, and the Lord may delight to dwell in the midst of us.>>>
      >The first paragraph commits all of the citizens under the King's dominion
      and their posterity to the preservation of the reformed religion in
      doctrine, worship, discipline and government and to seek the reformation of
      the church where needed. We are also to seek the uniformity of the churches
      through means of Covenanting along with one confession of faith and
      catechism, one form of government, and one directory for worship. These have
      been produced, and are known as the Westminster Standards, which are
      agreeable unto, and founded upon the Scriptures. Because they are agreeable
      to the Bible, we uphold them as part of our covenanted obligations for Unity
      and Uniformity in the True Religion.>>> >We have not sought to corrupt the
      Confession, by taking out Biblical principles, while pasting in unbiblical
      doctrines - and then being misleading by saying that we hold to the
      Westminster Confession of Faith. Nor do we abandon the Directory and Form,
      in exchange for documents of generality and less clarity than the
      Standards.>>> >In other words, we promote Reformation by first truly
      promoting and defending orthodox and reformed confessional Christianity
      summarized in our 6 Terms of Communion.>>> >"II. That we shall, in like
      manner, without respect of persons, endeavour the extirpation of Popery,
      Prelacy (that is, Church government by archbishops, bishops, their
      chancellors and commissioners, deans, deans and chapters, archdeacons, and
      all other ecclesiastical officers depending on that hierarchy),
      superstition, heresy, schism, profaneness, and whatsoever shall be found
      contrary to sound doctrine and the power of Godliness; lest we partake in
      other men's sins, and thereby be in danger to receive of their plagues; and
      that the Lord may be one, and his name one, in the three kingdoms.>>> >In
      the second paragraph we are committed to uproot, in lawful ways, all false
      religion which includes Popery, Prelacy and also Independency - the greatest
      form of schism. Since many more heretical forms of false religion have taken
      root by the Pluralism of the Nations, there is more weeding to be done. Also
      notice, that we are to extirpate unscriptural systems and evil practices,
      and not persons.>>> >We preach against false religion in our pulpits, we
      tell the civil magistrates their duty to God and man. We address it in our
      own places and callings, including mothers with their children, fathers with
      their family in family worship, men and women in the workplace, etc.>>> >We
      also do not countenance these false (in the unfaithful sense) religions but
      keep from their false worship, and their idolatry, which has crept in
      unawares in many Reformed and Presbyterian Churches. >>> >In other words,
      though we testify against the contemporary "Ecumenical movement, where they
      exalt their points of agreement, and ignore their points that keep them
      separated is practiced, we promote the Ecumenicism of the Westminster
      Assembly; an ecumenicism that invites all to come to the Table of Unity in
      Truth, asking of all who take her chairs to place our differences on the
      table that they may be sorted and we may be one in God's Truth. We don't
      ignore our differences, but charitably challenge each other using the
      Standard of faith and practice of all those present - The very Word of
      God.>>> >"III. We shall, with the same sincerity, reality, and constancy, in
      our several vocations, endeavour, with our estates and lives, mutually to
      preserve the rights and privileges of the Parliaments, and the liberties of
      the kingdoms; and to preserve and defend the king's majesty's person and
      authority, in the preservation and defence of the true religion and
      liberties of the kingdoms; that the world may bear witness with our
      consciences of our loyalty, and that we have no other thoughts or intentions
      to diminish his majesty's just power and greatness.>>> >Paragraph three
      commits us in our various callings to uphold the rights and privileges of
      those in Civil Magistracy, and their citizens. Notice that it says that we
      defend the Civil Magistrate as he defends the true religion. When one abuses
      their authority, our testimony to them is to repent, for you have abandoned
      your rule. Our allegiance is limited to faithfulness according to this
      paragraph.>>> >When the king violates the original Constitution, or sets up
      some false (in the unlawful sense) Constitution which in turn violates the
      original Constitution, and tramples upon the constitutional rights of the
      people, the sovereign power reverts to the people. >>> >We do not use their
      unlawfulness to promote our unlawfulness or the unlawfulness of others;
      rather we keep all their lawful commands because the commands are lawful,
      and do not follow in their rebellion against God as they seek to cast off
      His yoke that is upon them.>>> >We do not vote for civil officers,
      presently, due to the unlawful swearing they maintain to the false
      Constitution of this nation. We will not partake in any of their false wars,
      though would defend our household and community if needed. We pray for this
      nation, and its rulers, on a regular basis.>>> >In other words, we are true
      patriots. We are not guilty of treason, or perjury, for we recognize Christ
      head of all kingdoms. It is the kings and princes, and rulers and
      presidents, and senators, and representatives who perjure Christ. And when
      they cease, and promote His kingdom, we shall promote them.>>> >IV. We shall
      also, with all faithfulness, endeavour the discovery of all such as have
      been or shall be incendiaries, malignants, or evil instruments, be hindering
      the reformation of religion, dividing the king from his people, or one of
      the kingdoms from another, or making any faction or parties among the
      people, contrary to this League and Covenant; that they may be brought to
      public trial, and receive condign punishment, as the degree of their
      offences shall require or deserve, or the supreme judicatories of both
      kingdoms respectively, or others having power from them for that effect,
      shall judge convenient.>>> >The fourth paragraph commits us to oppose all
      who generally promote schism and oppose the reformation of the Church and
      State, and who do these specifically contrary to this Covenant. Since this
      Covenant acts as a remedy to the opposition to Christ's Kingdom, those who
      oppose this Covenant, oppose the lace w:st="on">lacetype
      w:st="on">Kingdomlacetype> of lacename w:st="on">Christlacename>lace>, and
      are Covenant breakers.>>> >We preach Christ and the Covenants in our
      pulpits, teach them to our children, and make them Terms of Christian
      Communion.>>> >We also maintain a testimony against those who are guilty of
      being contrary to this Covenant. We censure those in our midst who once held
      to this Covenant, and have turned their backs upon the obligations
      therein.>>> >So we commit ourselves to oppose all who oppose the true
      religion in church and state and all who seek to divide the covenanted
      people.>>> >V. And whereas the happiness of a blessed peace between these
      kingdoms, denied in former times to our progenitors, is, by the good
      providence of GOD, granted unto us, and hath been lately concluded and
      settled by both Parliaments; we shall, each one of us, according to our
      place and interest, endeavour that they may remain conjoined in a firm peace
      and union to all posterity; and that justice may be done upon the willful
      opposers thereof, in manner expressed in the precedent article.>>>
      >Paragraph five commits us to seek to maintain the union among the posterity
      of the King's dominion, and to also seek relations with other Nations, that
      they too would endeavor to walk in new obedience, and covenant to Almighty
      God.>>> >There is that binding language, that descending obligation
      language - or do you who are part of this posterity deny such, desiring to
      cast of the yoke off Christ?>>> >Contrary to popular believe we do have a
      mission's field. By maintaining our Terms of Christian Communion and making
      them accessible to the entire world as a witness, many from all over the
      world are in current and perpetual dialogue with us- The Netherlands,
      Zambia, Switzerland, Spain, Columbia, Italy, Uzbekistan, not to mention
      those all over the US and Canada.>>> >VI. We shall also, according to our
      places and callings, in this common cause of religion, liberty, and peace of
      the kingdoms, assist and defend all those that enter into this League and
      Covenant, in the maintaining and pursuing thereof; and shall not suffer
      ourselves, directly or indirectly, by whatsoever combination, persuasion, or
      terror, to be divided or withdrawn from this blessed union and conjunction,
      whether to make defection to the contrary part, or to give ourselves to a
      detestable indifferency or neutrality in this cause, which so much
      concerneth the glory of God, the good of the kingdom, and honour of the
      king; but shall, all the days of our lives, zealously and constantly
      continue therein against all opposition, and promote the same, according to
      our power, against all lets and impediments whatsoever; and what we are not
      able ourselves to suppress or overcome, we shall reveal and make known, that
      it may be timely prevented or removed: All which we shall do as in the sight
      of God.>>> >The last section commits us to mutual defense, union, assistance
      and support in pursuit of advancing the goals of the Covenant.>>> >We stand
      always to give an answer to those who would question us in regards to unity
      in the true religion. We have made our Terms of Communion known and
      published throughout all the Earth. We have recorded and made available for
      free our sermons and lectures, and SWRB has made many resources available
      for free.>>> >We call our people to Reformation duties, and do not seek to
      hide in the world. We call upon our God to be our strength and defense, we
      thank Him for places His enemies around us for a season, that we may be
      sanctified and zealous for His Truth. We also pray that He would remove the
      enemies and infidels of His Kingdom, from our midst that we faint not, that
      we may also promote His Crown and Covenant.>>> >And, because these kingdoms
      are guilty of many sins and provocations against GOD, and his Son JESUS
      CHRIST, as is too manifest by our present distresses and dangers, the fruits
      thereof; we profess and declare, before GOD and the world, our unfeigned
      desire to be humbled for our own sins, and for the sins of these kingdoms;
      especially that we have not, as we ought, valued the inestimable benefit of
      the Gospel; that we have not laboured for the purity and power thereof; and
      the we have not endeavoured to receive Christ in our hearts, not to walk
      worthy of him in our lives; which are the causes of other sins and
      transgression so much abounding amongst us: and our true and unfeigned
      purpose, desire, and endeavour, for ourselves, and all others under our
      power and charge, both in public and private, in all duties we owe to GOD
      and man, to amend our lives, and each one to go before another in the
      example of a real reformation; that the Lord may turn away his wrath and
      heavy indignation, and establish these Churches and kingdoms in truth and
      peace. And this Covenant we make in the presence of ALMIGHTY GOD, the
      Searcher of all hearts, with a true intention to perform the same, as we
      shall answer at that great day, when the secrets of all hearts shall be
      disclosed; most humbly beseeching the LORD to strengthen us by his HOLY
      SPIRIT for this end, and to bless our desires and proceedings with such
      success, as may be deliverance and safety to his people, and encouragement
      to other Christian Churches, groaning under, or in danger of the yoke of
      antichristian tyranny, to join in the same or like association and covenant,
      to the glory of GOD, the enlargement of the kingdom of JESUS CHRIST, and the
      peace and tranquillity of Christian kingdoms and commonwealths.>>> >Our
      Conclusion is a confession of our sin and humiliation before God, and desire
      to see all nations yoke themselves with this light yoke of Christ, this
      ordinance of Covenanting to be the people of God, whether it be by this
      Covenant or another. There is also an engagement to all godly practice.>>>
      >We don't view these articles as principle to simply profess, but to be
      promoted by action.>>


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    • trygvesson@aol.com
      In a message dated 11/22/2005 1:43:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, lbump@bright.net writes: Dude, that was unreadable. Larry Shawn, Aye, I must agree with
      Message 2 of 2 , Nov 22, 2005
        In a message dated 11/22/2005 1:43:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, lbump@... writes:
        "Dude, that was unreadable.

        Aye, I must agree with Larry. Your formatting must have some conflict with this yahoo group, as your post appears in my inbox as one enormous "run on" paragraph.
        Christopher Coombes
        Lynchburg Reformed Presbyterian Fellowship,
        Lynchburg, VA
        Member, Triangle RPC

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