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Re: [Covenanted Reformation] RPCNA

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  • Ginny Dohms
    ... Christopher, I think you would agree that you aren t going to get the most accurate, objective perspective from an EX-member. For example, if you want to
    Message 1 of 16 , Jun 30, 2005
      > According to one former RPNA member who is now RPCNA, the split was over disagreement involving a >hypothetical case of the speculative and theoretical limited use of birth control in extreme circumstances in the >continent of Africa.
       
      Christopher,
       
      I think you would agree that you aren't going to get the most accurate, objective perspective from an EX-member.  For example, if you want to recommend some good reading on the RPCNA, I doubt that you would recommend that the person go and read a book written by an ex-RPCNAer who left over issues.
       
      Correct information is best acquired from the source documents that the RPNA holds to as our subordinate standards.
       
      Ginny, RPNA
       
    • trygvesson@aol.com
      In a message dated 6/30/2005 5:48:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gdawn@wraezor.com writes: Christopher, I think you would agree that you aren t going to get
      Message 2 of 16 , Jun 30, 2005
        In a message dated 6/30/2005 5:48:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gdawn@... writes:
        "Christopher,
         
        I think you would agree that you aren't going to get the most accurate, objective perspective from an EX-member.  For example, if you want to recommend some good reading on the RPCNA, I doubt that you would recommend that the person go and read a book written by an ex-RPCNAer who left over issues.
         
        Correct information is best acquired from the source documents that the RPNA holds to as our subordinate standards.
        Ginny, RPNA"
         
         
        Ginny,
         
        I understand your concern. However, I think you would also agree that you and other RPNA folks hold you aren't always going to get the most accurate, objective perspective from a current member, otherwise folk would more often accept at face value what Larry and I and other RPCNA folk have to say about our own denomination.
         
        According to Tony Menendez's post yesterday, it looks as though what I heard re: a split over a hypothetical situation involving the hypothetical use of birth control in very limited theoretical and speculative circumstances, was accurate. I reproduce the post below:
         
        In a message dated 6/29/2005 10:27:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, antonio26_2005@... writes:
        "Christopher,
         
        The hypothetical is rarely detached from the real and practical. Hypotheticals are often given to protect names and faces that an actual situation affects. The real issue of separation was really and truly whether birth-control (contraception and surgeries preventing conception) is absolutely wrong. Our presbytery split because one of the four believed that exceptions could be made so as to prevent the means from being operative by which God uses to bring forward life. The other three believed that this is not the case (no exceptions can be made). My recommendation for a short and sweet study of the issue is to read Charles Provan's book, The Bible and Birth Control (this is not to say that we would agree with all Provan's arguments but we do believe in the conclusion without equivocation).
         
        Your brother in Christ,
        Tony Menendez"
         
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        Christopher Coombes
        Lynchburg Reformed Presbyterian Fellowship,
        Lynchburg, VA
        Member, Triangle RPC
        RPCNA


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      • Antonio Menendez
        My post was an attempt to bring forward that the presbytery split was over both the belief we have against birth-control and the non-practice that our church
        Message 3 of 16 , Jun 30, 2005
          My post was an attempt to bring forward that the presbytery split was over both the belief we have against birth-control and the non-practice that our church holds to regarding it (as these are necessarily related). I thought I had communicated as much in my two previous posts, but I guess not.
           
          Here's a question to pose to you to give you some sort of idea of how the hypothetical can often be just as important as a case coming before a church court in the present.
           
          Would you call it a hypothetical/merely theoretical issue unimportant if a session in a church haggled over if and when an abortion could be performed? Let's say one side of the issue says that we believe that it is always wrong to perform an abortion (no matter what the case scenario). The other side then says we agree that abortion is wrong generally speaking but there are these particular cases in which we believe it would right to perform abortions. Even if this was just a belief (what you seem to imply as unimportant) as it relates to the latter party I guarantee that a lot in RPCNA may even have issues on that particular party holding to their views and would want them to repent or have discipline brought against them. 
           
          Please read carefully I am not trying to equate as exactly equal birth-control and abortion though I do believe there is a necessary relationship between the two. My focus in the example aforementioned was to put forward how even that of the hypothetical which establishes someones beliefs on a subject is important and can be censured.
           
          If I need to further clarify what I am saying here please just put forward what part is necessary to further clarify and I will be glad to make an attempt at it.
           
          Your brother in Christ,
           
          Tony  
           
           
          trygvesson@... wrote:
          In a message dated 6/30/2005 5:48:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gdawn@... writes:
          "Christopher,
           
          I think you would agree that you aren't going to get the most accurate, objective perspective from an EX-member.  For example, if you want to recommend some good reading on the RPCNA, I doubt that you would recommend that the person go and read a book written by an ex-RPCNAer who left over issues.
           
          Correct information is best acquired from the source documents that the RPNA holds to as our subordinate standards.
          Ginny, RPNA"
           
           
          Ginny,
           
          I understand your concern. However, I think you would also agree that you and other RPNA folks hold you aren't always going to get the most accurate, objective perspective from a current member, otherwise folk would more often accept at face value what Larry and I and other RPCNA folk have to say about our own denomination.
           
          According to Tony Menendez's post yesterday, it looks as though what I heard re: a split over a hypothetical situation involving the hypothetical use of birth control in very limited theoretical and speculative circumstances, was accurate. I reproduce the post below:
           
          In a message dated 6/29/2005 10:27:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, antonio26_2005@... writes:
          "Christopher,
           
          The hypothetical is rarely detached from the real and practical. Hypotheticals are often given to protect names and faces that an actual situation affects. The real issue of separation was really and truly whether birth-control (contraception and surgeries preventing conception) is absolutely wrong. Our presbytery split because one of the four believed that exceptions could be made so as to prevent the means from being operative by which God uses to bring forward life. The other three believed that this is not the case (no exceptions can be made). My recommendation for a short and sweet study of the issue is to read Charles Provan's book, The Bible and Birth Control (this is not to say that we would agree with all Provan's arguments but we do believe in the conclusion without equivocation).
           
          Your brother in Christ,
          Tony Menendez"
           
          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Christopher Coombes
          Lynchburg Reformed Presbyterian Fellowship,
          Lynchburg, VA
          Member, Triangle RPC
          RPCNA


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