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Re: [Covenanted Reformation] Pope John Paul is dying

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    ... Unfortunately, it is not clear to some including me. What is he saying by not praying for the Pope? Pope as in the 1700-year office or the person holding
    Message 1 of 11 , Apr 2, 2005
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      --- In covenantedreformationclub@yahoogroups.com, "sn_phillip"
      <sn_phillip@y...> wrote:
      > Here is a section from George Gillespie on who we are to pray for
      > from: He states very clearly that we are not to pray for the Pope.

      Unfortunately, it is not clear to some including me. What is he
      saying by not praying for the Pope? Pope as in the 1700-year office
      or the person holding the office? Are we not to pray for our
      enemies as Christ instructed us to?

      > Of The True, Real, And Safe Grounds Of Encouragement To Believe In
      > Jesus Christ; Or, Upon What Warrants A Sinner May Adventure To
      > And Rely Upon Christ For Salvation.
      > by Rev. George Gillespie
      > Scottish Commissioner To the Assembly of Divines At Westminster.
      > Secondly, Christ's intention to die for all men and for the whole
      > world, that is, for all sorts of sinners in the world, and so for
      > sinners of my kind, may every poor sinner in particular think
      > himself. Here is an universal encouragement unto all from a true
      > real ground, and drawn from the will and intention, as well as
      > the power and all-sufficiency of Christ, which I shall make good
      > Scripture; for he hath died for all sorts of persons; there is no
      > condition excluded. For this I take 1 Tim. ii. 6, "Who gave
      himself a
      > ransom for all;" so, ver. 4, "Who will have all men to be saved."
      > meaning must needs be of all sorts, not of all persons; for
      > that the Apostle's all can be no more than Christ's many, - Matt,
      > 28, "The Son of man came to give his life a ransom for many," -
      > very text hath abundance of light to give itself, if we look to
      > context either before or behind: before, there is an exhortation
      > pray "for all men," ver. 1; which, although the Arminians make an
      > argument that all men is meant of all persons, and not only of all
      > sorts, both in that verse and vet. 4, 6, because, say they, we
      > to PRAY for all men universally pro singulis generum, and not only
      > for all sorts; yet it is indeed an argument for the contrary. For
      > PRAY for all men, without exception of any person, is not
      > but we find the contrary commanded. Jeremiah was forbidden to PRAY
      > make intercession for the obstinate, incorrigible Jews, Jer. vii.
      > xi. 14; xiv. 11. God would not have Samuel to mourn for Saul after
      > was rejected of the Lord, 1 Sam. xvi. 1; and we ought not to PRAY
      > such as sin unto death, i.e., the sin of blasphemy against the
      > Ghost, 1 John v. 16. Paul is so far from praying for Alexander the
      > coppersmith, that he imprecates the vengeance of God upon him, 2
      > iv. 14. We may not PRAY for the POPE, WHO is the GREAT ANTICHRIST
      > SON OF PERDITION; neither may we PRAY for, but against Babylon,
      > especially after the people of God are out of her. We are bidden
      > for our enemies, but not for the malicious, incorrigible enemies
      > Christ. Wherefore, when the Apostle bids us PRAY "for all men,"
      > meaning is, that we should not exclude no degree nor kind of men,
      > great or small, Jew or Gentile, bond or free, &c.; and so he doth
      > upon the matter explain himself in the very next words, "For kings
      > and for all in authority." He saith not for "all kings," but he
      > not have us exclude kings nor queens, as such, from our prayers,
      > any other subordinate rulers. When he saith "All that are in
      > authority," he means any kind of lawful authority; for we may not
      > PRAY for those who are in any unlawful or usurped authority in the
      > church, - archbishops, bishops, deans, archdeacons, &c., which
      > were an approbation of their unlawful callings in the church. I do
      > not say that we may not PRAY for the persons of any archbishops,
      > bishops, &c., but we may not PRAY for them as clothed with such an
      > office or authority; as we are there bid PRAY for kings quatenus
      > kings, that we may live under them a quiet and peaceable life in
      > godliness and honesty; so that a king or emperor, as he is clothed
      > with such authority, may not be excluded from our prayers; but if
      > look upon all kings and emperors personally, individually, or
      > numerically, so it cannot hold true that we ought to pray for all
      > that are in authority, otherwise the ancient church had been bound
      > pray for Julian the apostate.
      > --- In covenantedreformationclub@yahoogroups.com, Darren Harr
      > <ddharr@y...> wrote:
      > > Well now, if that is not interesting to think about. I think I
      > go with my knee jerk reaction on this and quote "Do unto others as
      > you would have done unto you."
      > >
      > > Benjamin Hart <benhartmail@y...> wrote:It looks like the pope is
      > dying; this article says he's had heart failure and septic shock
      > to a urinary infection.
      > >
      > > http://news.yahoo.com/news?
      > tmpl=story&e=1&u=/nm/20050401/ts_nm/pope_dc&sid=84439559
      > >
      > > Last night we prayed for the Pope in family worship - first for
      > conversion to Christ (if he be not found in him), and second for
      > health.
      > >
      > > I've spoken to others who think we should pray for the death and
      > destruction of the Pope.
      > >
      > > Who, if either, is correct?
      > >
      > > -Ben
      > >
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