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Re: [Covenanted Reformation] Pope John Paul is dying

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  • Whit
    ... Unfortunately, it is not clear to some including me. What is he saying by not praying for the Pope? Pope as in the 1700-year office or the person holding
    Message 1 of 11 , Apr 2, 2005
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      --- In covenantedreformationclub@yahoogroups.com, "sn_phillip"
      <sn_phillip@y...> wrote:
      >
      >
      > Here is a section from George Gillespie on who we are to pray for
      > from: He states very clearly that we are not to pray for the Pope.
      >

      Unfortunately, it is not clear to some including me. What is he
      saying by not praying for the Pope? Pope as in the 1700-year office
      or the person holding the office? Are we not to pray for our
      enemies as Christ instructed us to?

      Whit
      >
      > Of The True, Real, And Safe Grounds Of Encouragement To Believe In
      > Jesus Christ; Or, Upon What Warrants A Sinner May Adventure To
      Rest
      > And Rely Upon Christ For Salvation.
      >
      > by Rev. George Gillespie
      > Scottish Commissioner To the Assembly of Divines At Westminster.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > Secondly, Christ's intention to die for all men and for the whole
      > world, that is, for all sorts of sinners in the world, and so for
      > sinners of my kind, may every poor sinner in particular think
      within
      > himself. Here is an universal encouragement unto all from a true
      and
      > real ground, and drawn from the will and intention, as well as
      from
      > the power and all-sufficiency of Christ, which I shall make good
      from
      > Scripture; for he hath died for all sorts of persons; there is no
      > condition excluded. For this I take 1 Tim. ii. 6, "Who gave
      himself a
      > ransom for all;" so, ver. 4, "Who will have all men to be saved."
      The
      > meaning must needs be of all sorts, not of all persons; for
      besides
      > that the Apostle's all can be no more than Christ's many, - Matt,
      xx.
      > 28, "The Son of man came to give his life a ransom for many," -
      this
      > very text hath abundance of light to give itself, if we look to
      the
      > context either before or behind: before, there is an exhortation
      to
      > pray "for all men," ver. 1; which, although the Arminians make an
      > argument that all men is meant of all persons, and not only of all
      > sorts, both in that verse and vet. 4, 6, because, say they, we
      ought
      > to PRAY for all men universally pro singulis generum, and not only
      > for all sorts; yet it is indeed an argument for the contrary. For
      to
      > PRAY for all men, without exception of any person, is not
      commanded,
      > but we find the contrary commanded. Jeremiah was forbidden to PRAY
      or
      > make intercession for the obstinate, incorrigible Jews, Jer. vii.
      16;
      > xi. 14; xiv. 11. God would not have Samuel to mourn for Saul after
      he
      > was rejected of the Lord, 1 Sam. xvi. 1; and we ought not to PRAY
      for
      > such as sin unto death, i.e., the sin of blasphemy against the
      Holy
      > Ghost, 1 John v. 16. Paul is so far from praying for Alexander the
      > coppersmith, that he imprecates the vengeance of God upon him, 2
      Tim.
      > iv. 14. We may not PRAY for the POPE, WHO is the GREAT ANTICHRIST
      and
      > SON OF PERDITION; neither may we PRAY for, but against Babylon,
      > especially after the people of God are out of her. We are bidden
      PRAY
      > for our enemies, but not for the malicious, incorrigible enemies
      of
      > Christ. Wherefore, when the Apostle bids us PRAY "for all men,"
      his
      > meaning is, that we should not exclude no degree nor kind of men,
      > great or small, Jew or Gentile, bond or free, &c.; and so he doth
      > upon the matter explain himself in the very next words, "For kings
      > and for all in authority." He saith not for "all kings," but he
      will
      > not have us exclude kings nor queens, as such, from our prayers,
      nor
      > any other subordinate rulers. When he saith "All that are in
      > authority," he means any kind of lawful authority; for we may not
      > PRAY for those who are in any unlawful or usurped authority in the
      > church, - archbishops, bishops, deans, archdeacons, &c., which
      prayer
      > were an approbation of their unlawful callings in the church. I do
      > not say that we may not PRAY for the persons of any archbishops,
      > bishops, &c., but we may not PRAY for them as clothed with such an
      > office or authority; as we are there bid PRAY for kings quatenus
      > kings, that we may live under them a quiet and peaceable life in
      all
      > godliness and honesty; so that a king or emperor, as he is clothed
      > with such authority, may not be excluded from our prayers; but if
      we
      > look upon all kings and emperors personally, individually, or
      > numerically, so it cannot hold true that we ought to pray for all
      > that are in authority, otherwise the ancient church had been bound
      to
      > pray for Julian the apostate.
      >
      >
      >
      > --- In covenantedreformationclub@yahoogroups.com, Darren Harr
      > <ddharr@y...> wrote:
      > > Well now, if that is not interesting to think about. I think I
      will
      > go with my knee jerk reaction on this and quote "Do unto others as
      > you would have done unto you."
      > >
      > > Benjamin Hart <benhartmail@y...> wrote:It looks like the pope is
      > dying; this article says he's had heart failure and septic shock
      due
      > to a urinary infection.
      > >
      > > http://news.yahoo.com/news?
      > tmpl=story&e=1&u=/nm/20050401/ts_nm/pope_dc&sid=84439559
      > >
      > > Last night we prayed for the Pope in family worship - first for
      his
      > conversion to Christ (if he be not found in him), and second for
      his
      > health.
      > >
      > > I've spoken to others who think we should pray for the death and
      > destruction of the Pope.
      > >
      > > Who, if either, is correct?
      > >
      > > -Ben
      > >
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