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RE: [Covenanted Reformation] Re: The trouble of uninspired "worship" songs

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  • J. Parnell McCarter
    Reasonable questions, Ben, so let me try to answer them. I think Ginny s question is similar. ... From: Ben Hart [mailto:benhartmail@yahoo.com] ... good
    Message 1 of 41 , Jan 11, 2005
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      Reasonable questions, Ben, so let me try to answer them. I think Ginny's
      question is similar.

      -----Original Message-----
      From: Ben Hart [mailto:benhartmail@...]


      > Why must we learn all 150 psalms before we learn to appreciate genuinely
      good secular music?

      Please keep in mind my qualifier, *for recreation, entertainment and
      enjoyment*. What I am talking about here is not something we need to
      fulfill our obligation "to labor 6 days", or other such Biblical
      obligations. We are not here discussing songs suited for those ends.

      Now, with respect to recreation, its God-ordained purpose is to re-create
      and re-vivify us, spiritually and physically. There is simply *no song* so
      pure and so effectual to that end as those songs which God has inspired.
      But if you disagree, please name that song.

      Again, we must keep in mind our time limits on this earth. It is quite
      limited. And that brief time we have for recreation in song should be well
      used. Christians have been bought with a price. Our time is God's.


      >Perhaps an analogy or a relevant ad hominem makes my point - you haven't
      required your kids to memorize/thoroughly read the Bible before
      reading other books have you?

      No, because then we would be violating scriptural principles such as
      laboring 6 days, and considering the teaching of godly men on the
      scriptures, etc. Let's take the first, for example. To labor often entails
      reading things such as instructional manuals on equipment, etc.

      But with respect to songs *for entertainment and recreation*, God has given
      us the songs we are to meditate upon.

      I just wish I could trade all the secular songs I know (from my pre-reformed
      days) in for the spiritual songs God wrote. But, alas, the secular songs
      are deeply embedded in my psyche from youth, and God's songs I am trying
      only somewhat successfully to learn in my older age. My advice to the
      youth: remember the Creator's songs in the days of thy youth. (And don't
      waste time meditating upon the words of *at best* second-rate songs written
      by mere men, often foolish men at that.)


      >Maybe you have, but I think when the
      same logic is applied there, it shows the intuitive overzealousness
      of such an idea.

      >How is it a mis-priority of time to play and learn other songs for
      entertainment before memorizing the Psalms?

      Because they are not as effectual as God's songs at achieving the purposes
      for which God has given us re-creation.

      - Parnell McCarter
    • gmw
      No problem, Jasper. You get the benefit of the doubt around here, as far as I m concerned. Thanks for saying this, though. gmw. ... intend them to be
      Message 41 of 41 , Jan 20, 2005
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        No problem, Jasper. You get the benefit of the doubt around here, as
        far as I'm concerned. Thanks for saying this, though.

        gmw.

        --- In covenantedreformationclub@yahoogroups.com, Jasper
        <jasperh98@y...> wrote:
        > Jerry,
        >
        > I am sorry if my comments seemed offensive to you - I did not
        intend them to be offensive. I thought I was adding something to the
        discussion as it stood at that point.
        >
        > Overall, the discussion was interesting.
        >
        > Jasper
        >
        > gmw <raging.calvinist@v...> wrote:
        >
        > Perhaps some confusion is removed if you...
        >
        > 1. Don't confuse me with someone who speaks officially for all
        > Covenanters. I am not a teacher, preacher, or elder.
        >
        > 2. Distinguish between using a song in the act of worship, and
        listening to a song in other contexts.
        >
        > 3. Don't confuse the advocating of Exclusive Psalmody with burning
        anyone at the stake. LOL.
        >
        > gmw.
        >
        > --- In covenantedreformationclub@yahoogroups.com, Jasper
        > <jasperh98@y...> wrote:
        > > I recall that on various occasions the forum owner here has
        extolled the virtues of various secular rock groups such as Kansas,
        while verbally "burning at the stake" all christians who sing to God
        praises that are not from a Presbyterian-approved version of the
        Psalms. Gets a bit confusing. I wonder if Blind Willie Johnson is a
        covenantor
        > (see this group's files section)?
        >
        > > Jasper
        >
        > > Maggie Conley <mmpconley@s...> wrote:
        >
        > I agree Ben. This was going to be my response.
        >
        >
        > Just because they hold themselves to the designation of being
        a "Christian Contemporary Musician" doesn't mean there is some
        Eleventh Commandment that says they are required to only sing Praise
        and Worship songs.
        >
        >
        > Just like the cobbler in the famous story told about Martin
        Luther – they can sing whatever they want – unto the Lord. So long
        as it's contents are not defamatory to the Lord and/or good Doctrine.
        >
        > M
        >
        >
        >
        > > -----Original Message-----
        > > From: Benjamin Hart [mailto:benhartmail@y...]
        > > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 5:45 AM
        > > To: covenantedreformationclub@yahoogroups.com
        > > Subject: [Covenanted Reformation] Re: The trouble of
        uninspired "worship" songs
        >
        > Whit,
        >
        > For better or for worse, I think Sixpence is in the clear on this
        one - it was originally written by a group from the 80's named
        Crowded House. I don't think they intended for it to be a worship
        song. Other artists who are Christians have covered secular songs
        just because they like the tune, lyrics, etc. Jennifer Knapp did
        Shawn Colvin's "Diamond in the Rough", Caedmon's Call did U2's "In
        God's Country" and the Supertones did Cindy Lauper's "Time after
        Time" just for a few examples. I'd be pretty shocked to think
        Sixpence considered it a worship song. Was it played during a
        designated 'praise and worship'?
        >
        >
        > Is there something wrong with Christian's playing secular songs?
        >
        > -Ben
        > >
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