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Re: WHIT: [Covenanted Reformation] Re: question about USA

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  • Barry Ferguson
    Whit: Thank you for your gracious absolution. ( Confess your faults to one another - i.e., to your fellow priests (:) - that you might be healed ) But I would
    Message 1 of 17 , Nov 9, 2004
          Thank you for your gracious absolution.
          ("Confess your faults to one another" - i.e., to your fellow priests (:) - that you might be healed")
           But I would like to discuss David with respect to despotism. 
            David would be hung up by his thumbs on the White House flag pole by the press, by the opposition party, and by responsible leaders of his own party, for pulling the stunt he pulled with Bathsheba's old man.   Imagine George W. even thinking about sending some young Marine into Fallujah (spelling?) simply because he wanted a piece of the poor man's buxom young lass, whose tanning booth is just outside the Oval Office humidor (or, in W's case, just outside the presidential prayer chapel).
              This gets beyond the realm of point of personal privilege for one Alpha Male's royal prerogatives and private peccadilloes  - it flies straight into the jaws of high crimes and misdemeanors.
              David would have been impeached and would have lost all credibility - he would have been thrown into the slammer or into a Martha Stewart Personal Restitution Program - and would be left, as a man of God or as an elder statesman, with but a glimmer of hope to someday rise as Chief Executive Officer of Jimmy Swaggart Ministries. 
              Would David have retained credibility or even a semblance of power in Calvin's Geneva with that kind of behavior?
              Benevolent monarchial rule, or patriarchy, can as easily be defended as a "good" form of government in the realm of  fatherhood, of a classroom, of a champion hockey team, of a military, of an apostleship, of the pastoral rule of the church, of a synod, of this forum (hi gmw :), and of Calvin's Geneva, as it can be (seen as good) for the general welfare of a nation.
               There have been many benevolent popes who feared God and who kept the commandments along the lines of a John Calvin or even of a King David or a Solomon - probably more often than not.
                But the downside of an autocrat's major blemishes and/or indiscretions (and unchecked errors in judgement), takes a heavy toll on everyone under his rule - wives, sons, daughters, subjects, parishioners, counselors, theologians, heretics, dissenters, and so on.
                I like Churchill's description of constitutional democracy - it's the worst form of civil government, except for all the others.
               P.S.    I'll explain what I mean with respect to satisfaction in a separate post.

      covie1646 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


      I forgive you.  At the end of your note, you did bring a great
      question about the King alone shouldering the Government, an idea
      which I am against as the Bible emphasizes the need of having
      counselors.  So, we do agree that the ruler whether President, King,
      or Emperor should not shoulder the Government alone. 


      --- In covenantedreformationclub@yahoogroups.com, Barry Ferguson
      <gogon789@y...> wrote:
      > Whit:

      >        I apologize for the wise guy tone.

      >        Yesterday I went to a funeral and was reminded that we are
      all in this together, we are on each other's side - and the last
      enemy to be destroyed is death.

      >         I am still too much a cocky kid and I will grow up someday.

      >         But not in dreamland (:)

      >         God bless you and keep you

      >         Barry
      > covie1646 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
      > --- In covenantedreformationclub@yahoogroups.com, Barry Ferguson
      > <gogon789@y...> wrote:
      > > Not gonna happen, Whit.
      > > 
      > > You're all afraid of a monarchial papacy yet you'd open the door
      > a despot right here in America.
      > > 
      > Not gonna happen?  How many times in history have nations changed
      > governments?
      > We're speaking of civil government, not ecclesiastical government
      > (e.g, papacy). 
      > So, as I said in my previous post, I did not simply say King but
      > rather a King ruling according to God's Law and in the fear of the
      > Lord.  By your reply, such a biblical King is a despot? So, King
      > David and Solomon are despots? 
      > > Dream on,
      > >
      > > And God Bless America.
      > It appears that you are already there in dreamland.  Have fun.
      > >numerous battlefields to struggle for and to retain these rights -
      > for all Americans, without distinction (for you and me both, Whit).
      > You are speaking to one who has several veterans in the family.
      > >As for your jealous concern for words that are not in scripture,
      > apparently "satisfaction" is a Latinist gloss on the pure Greek New
      > Testament text smuggled in by way of Western theological
      > practices and thought forms by way of Anselm - yet is a core
      > component of my good friend Dr. Letis's "purified" - i.e., Rome-
      free -
      > theology.   I daresay it is a central component of your theology as
      > well, Whit).
      > > 
      > I've no idea what you are saying here.
      > > Dream on, Whit
      > You've entirely missed my point.  Have fun in dreamland where I
      > be joining you.
      > Whit
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