9321Re: question with respect to paedocommunion
- Nov 22 2:45 AM
> Clearly Calvin , in IC 4.xvi.30 denies paedocommunion based on thecommanded
> nature of the necessity of self examination and discernment
> as requirements for participation : e.g. " Do this in remembranceof
> me. " cannot be faithfully , and thoroughly required of infants who[Calvin's teachings in the Institutes on the Sabbath can also be held
> have not " grasped " the historical redemption , etc.
> There is no evidence that children partook of the Passover , but[The lack of text in which it says that children partook of the
> rather were catechized with respect to the observation of its
> practice , as Exodus 12:26 .
passover is not in the OT reading, however to say that there is no
evidence as to their partaking is in error.
"Then Moses called for all the elders of Israel, and said unto them,
Draw out and take you a lamb according to your families, and kill the
The lamb was to be drawn according to families. The lamb was also to
dwell with the family prior to sacrifice. Unless the children were
out of the house during these times we can assume that they too were
see the picture (image) God set before them.
"That ye shall say, It is the sacrifice of the LORD's passover, who
passed over the houses of the children of Israel in Egypt, when he
smote the Egyptians, and delivered our houses. And the people bowed
the head and worshipped."
Again, children were a part of the covenant relationship of God to
Infants, those not weened, of course cannot take solid food, however,
the feasts that God had enacted and commanded Israel to keep were for
the teaching of the children in Israel. The command in Deu to teach
our children speak of this.
> Although there is particular evidence of Christ being circumcized
> an infant , there is no evidence of His partaking of the Passoveras
> one : moreover , even as a twelve year old when He is at Jerusalem[Just as there is no evidence that children or women were baptised or
> during the Passover He is rather shown to be participating in
> chatechism as Luke 2:46 .
women partaking of the Lord's supper we can by good and necessary
consequence determine from Sripture that they did.
There would be no need to reiterate that which is clearly deduced in
scriptures, such as paedo baptism.
> 1 Cor.10:3 , nor the OT history , indicate that children partook ofexample
> the manna .
> Thus , since there is not a direct commandment or unambiguous
> for the inclusion of children , it would be idolatrous to do so ,as
> it would be following the commandment of men .The exact same arguments against paedo communion are used
> If anyone has anything to add , critically or otherwise , or can
> point to other classical writers or resources where this matter is
> discussed scripturally , please share freely .
> Until the Day Dawn , Andrew
by "reformed" baptists against covenant baptism.
"But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come
unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven."
The above, as well as the other accounts of the same incident in Mark
and Luke are not baptism passages.
God commands against man made images, but God himself creates images
to show his salvation. Why is it that the word of God must always be
included with the Lord's supper? Both are images that God himself has
employed, both for our encouragement and edification. The Word of God
both cuts and heals, it is a form of discipline and of encouragement.
The Supper of the lamb is the image of the slain Christ, sacrificed
for sin, the wrath of God that is taken by Christ that should be
meant for us. Both these are for us and our children, they show the
children their need for the righteousness of God that can only be
obtained by Christ and our dependance upon what he has done.
Baptism does not save, neither does communion. Baptism is a sign of
God's covenant relationship with his people, communion is a sign of
our constant need of the righteouness and benefits of Christ. They
both go hand in hand.
The false idea that children did not partake of the passover is a
push at best, dishonest as worst. There is not biblical ground which
excludes children of the children of God (a God who in fact saves in
the line of generations)from the testimony of God, and the need of
sinful man, pictured in the Passover.
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