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8724Re: [Covenanted Reformation] Uncomprimising Christians

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  • weeping_calvinist
    Jul 3, 2003
      Welcome, Peter.

      gmw.

      --- In covenantedreformationclub@yahoogroups.com, "Peter"
      <pjgray@s...> wrote:
      > I'm sorry for being unclear. If its any excuse it was very late for
      > me when I posted that message. But, my intentions were praise not
      > mockery. "hardliners" was supposed to be an term of affection. I
      too
      > believe the Pope is the Anti-Christ. Again, what I said was meant
      in
      > praise, though I can certainly see how it might be construed
      > otherwise. Noticed I criticized preterism, which seems to dominate
      > CT churches today. Needless to say, I am NOT a futurist. I thought
      > futurism was generally held by disbys & premills. I have read many
      > good things on popery. In fact, lately most of my free time has
      been
      > devoted to studying popery. My personal favorite is J.A.
      > Wylie's "The Papacy is the AntiChrist". I believe this book is
      > considered to be the authoritative vindication of that premise. I
      > have a book by Alexander Hislop called the Two Babylons which
      > compares Romanism to the pagan worship of Belshazzar. I haven't had
      > the chance to read it yet is it good? I have a single volume of
      > Puritan sermons about popery. I've listened to innumerable
      historic
      > sermons on the Nicodemians, reforming the church, and romes
      > idolatry. Without a doubt the Pope is the man of sin and the RCC
      the
      > mystery of iniquity, I'm as sure of it as I am that Jesus is Christ
      > and Protestantism and the OT and apostolic religions proceeding it
      > are the mystery of godliness (some what reminiscent of Wylie?).
      > What I said, "Even conservative Presbyterian denominations don't
      > believe the Pope is the AntiChrist anymore" was said in surprise
      and
      > elation, because I know most conservative American Presbyterian
      > denominations don't have a definitive stance on eschatology- PCA,
      > OPC. The Reformed Presbytery of North America might, I don't know
      > any thing about them. Given you live in N. Dakota I assume they are
      > a German (Rhinish Palatinate) Presbytery? Note I am none of these:
      > Baptist, preterist, Sabbath denier. I only mentioned them because
      it
      > seems many people of reformed persuasion fall away on these points
      > of orthodoxy. Have you noticed that? Im sorry if you misunderstood,
      > but how could you take offense to subject entitled "Uncomprimising
      > Christians"?
      >
      > > Hi Peter. my name is Darren Harr and I live in North Dakota.
      What
      > you define as "hardliners" we refer to as faithfulness to the word
      > of God. I am a member of the Reformed Presbytery of North America
      > and yes we sincerely uphold the WCF. I am glad to see you believe
      > in keeping the Sabbath. You would do yourself a great deal of good
      > if you read the material as to why we believe the pope is the anti-
      > Christ. I believe you will conclude as I have, along with other
      > nations that concluded the same thing. So to answer your question
      > yes we believe the pope is most definitely the anti-Christ.
      > >
      >
      > Excuse me, I confused the covenanters with the leaguers. My grasp
      on
      > history isn't as good as yours but I do know a wee bit about the
      era
      > (Im a fan of Paisley). I thought that the Scots would be friendly
      > with King Billy because the Jacobins were papists? The histories of
      > the Presbyterian Churches are very confusing. The largest
      > Presbyterian church where I live is the PC-USA other main ones are
      > the OPC and PCA. I believe that trend continues throughout the
      > entire east cost? I think these churches are mainly of British
      > descent?
      >
      >
      > >This club (silly, nostalgic me... I mean "group") is a mix of
      > different calvinistic people (and we've had a few non-calvinistic
      as
      > well), like one might expect from any other group of a similar
      > nature
      > on the internet. But the club itself is run by a covenanter, and
      has
      > a focus geared towards the covenanters. The covenanters are those
      > known also as Reformed Presbyterians, who rejected the settlement
      of
      > the Church of Scotland under the authority of William
      > of Orange at the time of the "Glorious Revolution" as it was
      > regarded
      > as establishing the church on new, unwarranted (and partly
      erastian)
      > footing and violated the covenants to God that had been previously
      > taken by church and state. They also rejected the changes that were
      > adopted when the presbyterians of Scotland and Ireland were forming
      > into ecclesiastical courts in North America. Many of us in this
      club
      > identify with the secession from the RPCNA that took place in 1840,
      > which declined Synod's jurisdiction due widening breaches in the
      > RPCNA from the original RP views, and the inability after 7 years
      to
      > get fair representation before synod to address the matter.
      > Notwithstanding a recognition of gifts and talents of Christians
      > (some of whom are friends) who happen to be in these other
      > denominations, they find that the reasons for dissent from these
      > synodical bodies as ecclesiastical bodies still exists, and remain
      > outside of official ecclesiastical relations with these
      > denominations
      > as ecclesiastical bodies.
      > >- doom
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