11345Re: [Covenanted Reformation] Re: Of the Papacy and their merry men (Spurgeon)
- Oct 5, 2004Deejay:Fair enough, I probably have not had enough examples of the truth spoken in love to see how that thing works in a Christian sort of way. Nine times out of ten (as a former hockey player) these sorts of things start off nice and break out into a hockey match.Surely, DeeJay, you don't think the sovereign and majestic God of grace cannot give peace to someone in the Roman Catholic Church.Do you limit the Holy One of Israel to local and corporal dimensions?Barry
Brainiac <brainiac@...> wrote:Hi Barry,Well, I'm afraid I disagree with how you assert tht Luther judged Erasmus., When he was refuting his free will diatribe, it was with the zealousness that defending truth commands, but also not with unconcern as anyone who reads can see for Erasmus's soul or Spiritual welfare.Too many namby pamby Christians today, dont speak the truth in love, cos it may cause offense. There is a diffrence between speaking the truth in love and being downright uncharitable towards them.As for Erasmus dying with peace in his heart. Well not sure any of us are in a place to confirm or refute that for sure. But he was clinging to the Romish Church towards the end of his life, I wonder if he still has "peace"?~Deejay----- Original Message -----From: Barry FergusonSent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 8:21 PMSubject: Re: [Covenanted Reformation] Re: Of the Papacy and their merry men (Spurgeon)Luther judged More's friend Erasmus in the same damning way he judged all his opponents.Erasmus died with peace in his heart and praise on his lips to Jesus Christ.Barry Ferguson
covie1646 <email@example.com> wrote:
Although Luther wrote that, Spurgeon's "Geese in the Hoods" was
brought to my mind. Has anyone read that book and have an opinion
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Braniac"
> On account of this judgment fear and trembling might well seize
our great Spiritual prelates, as they call themselves, the popes,
cardinals, bishops, canons, priests and the hole diabolical rabble
of the anti-Christian crowd at Rome, and everywhere, in their
monasteries and brothels, if they were not altogether hardened and
deliberately given to Satan body and soul. They think and act as
though they were especially appointed to snatch to themselves
everything that belongs to the poor church, and in their own
wantonness to consume, spend, waste, squander, in dissipation,
gambling and debauchery, in the most shameful and scandalous manner,
whatever has been given for the maintenance of students, schools and
the poor people. They mock God and man, 2 Pet. 2, 13; yeah, they
publicly murder innocent, pious people.
> Yea, woe another and eternal woe, to them and to all who side with
them. For it had been better for them, had they never been born,
as Christ says of Judas. Therefore they ought rather to wish that
their mother had drowned them in their first bath, nor that they had
never come forth from the womb, than that one of them should have
become pope or cardinal or a popish priest. For they are nothing
else than merely desperate and select ones, not highway robbers, but
public country thieves, who take, not the goods of the mighty and the
powerful that really have something, but of the poor and wretched, of
the parish churches, schools and hospitals, whose morsels are
snatched from their teeth, and whose drink is torn from their mouths,
so that they are unable to maintain life.
> Therefore, let every man beware of the Pope, the bishops, and the
priesthood, as he would beware of those have already been condemned
alive to the abyss of perdition. Truly Paul did not prophesy in
vain, 2 Tim 3, 1 that in the last days perilous times shall come.
> From a sermon by Martin Luther from his third Postil. Pages 387-389
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