11307[Covenanted Reformation] Re: Of the Papacy and their merry men (Spurgeon)
- Oct 3, 2004
>>he was right about the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist; hewas right about retaining infant baptism; he was right about taking
songs from drunkards and transforming them for the glory of Christ;
he was right about composing hymns of his own for the common people;
Could you show us how he was right concerning Consubstantiation,
uninspired hymnody, and the ubiquity of Christ?
> He was only a man, he had all that treasure in a fallenearthly vessel, and he was not the infallible Pope of the
Protestants, and neither was John Calvin and neither are you, g.m.w.,
nor is anyone who writes in this forum.
Neither am I infallible nor you, nor the Pope, nor the Councils, nor
the Magisterium nor any human upon this earth living or dead except
Christ (who was also God). Never did Gerry, I, or anyone else in the
Reformed church and history claimed or implied infalliblity, which is
a doctrine opposed to Scripture.
>When our founding fathers were drawing up their Constitution theycame to a stalemate; so Ben Franklin stood up and suggested everyone
drop their own pretense of infallibility and look to God in heaven
who raises up and puts down kingdoms and who sees the fall of every
>That causes me to shudder because if God was the center and basis of
our Constitution, then our Constitution would not be the godless,
idolatrous document that it is. Note that this same Benjamin
Franklin also once said, "Lighthouses are more helpful than
churches", "I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in
life I absented myself from Christian assemblies", "Revealed religion
has no weight with me."
> The presumptive infallibility of people who condemn themotives of those who disagree with them is an easy out for people who
would rather vent their spleen than think, or pray, or beg God for
more light for either their opponent or for themselves.
> Barry Ferguson
> gmw <raging.calvinist@v...> wrote:
> --- In email@example.com, Barry Ferguson
> <gogon789@y...> wrote:
> > But Luther cuts a pretty wide swath in here below in terms of
> > character assassination.
> When unable to answer Luther, most immediately point out that he
> harsh with his words. Anyone who reads Luther knows that Lutherwas
> harsh with his words. The point is, was he right or wrong?Service.
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