11110Re: [Covenanted Reformation] Passive obedience v. Political Dissidence
- Sep 13, 2004Okay then, only those who are "a minister to thee for good" qualify
as "powers". A minister for good is described in Due 17:19 "[The
Law] shall be with him, and he shall read therein all the days of
his life: that he may learn to fear the LORD his God, to keep all
the words of this law and these statutes, to do them: 20 That his
heart be not lifted up above his brethren, and that he turn not
aside from the commandment, to the right hand, or to the left: to
the end that he may prolong his days in his kingdom, he, and his
children, in the midst of Israel." If we're in agreement so far, let
me ask some more questions. (1) Are all non-Christian rulers
unlawful tyrants, or is obedience to the law written in their hearts
enough to make them lawful magistrates? (2) At what point does a
ruler become a tyrant, who is to judge? (3) Until what point are
tyrants to be tolerated?
--- In email@example.com, "gmw"
> --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Martin"to
> <paleopuritan@h...> wrote:
> > As for Cameron versus Calvin.
> The Covenanters certainly did not believe they were in opposition
> any of the orthodox divines in their defense of liberty againsttheir
> particular tyrant. Yet they, as we should today, only wish thatdone,
> people get the facts straight before attacking their position:
> "Let none therefore object against the legality of what we have
> or are doing: for we offer as (how inconsiderable we are said tobe)
> to prove ourselves to have done nothing against our ancient lawsour
> civil or ecclesiastic, against any lawyers or divines whatsoever,
> ancient laws being judges; and we having safety to pass and repassthat
> (if the public faith after so many breaches can be trusted) for
> effect. So then let no foreign kingdoms or churches throughor
> misinformation or false copies (as they are many) of what we act
> do, because we have no access to the press as they; we say letthem
> not take up a wrong opinion of us or our proceedings: for we areonly
> endeavouring to extricate ourselves from under a tyrannous yoke,and
> to reduce our church and state to what they were in the years 1648
> and 1649." -- Declaration at Lanark.
> I offer this not as any proof towards either side of the current
> discussion, only as a point of interest.
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