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  • Bill's Old email
    or maybe the two top address bits aren t used and the address lines are oddly mapped? ... From: Dave Ruske To:
    Message 1 of 7 , Jun 13, 2003
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      or maybe the two top address bits aren't used and the address lines are
      oddly mapped?

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Dave Ruske" <dave@...>
      To: <cosmacelf@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:32 PM
      Subject: Re: [cosmacelf] More MSI-88e Deconstruction


      > Looks to me like some stuck or bad address lines... offhand, that's
      > exactly the sort of pattern you'd end up with if address bits 1 and 2
      > were stuck, I believe.
      >
      > Dave
      >
      > On Friday, June 13, 2003, at 06:34 PM, Bill's Old email wrote:
      > > Hi Mark:
      > > I had a look at the BIN file. The first bit is included below. It
      > > all looks sort of like this, 4 repetitions of 2 bytes. They are of
      > > course valid 1802 instructions (hell the 1802 will execute a brick if
      > > it's got an even number of hex digits!) but they're not too promising.
      > > How do the 1802 address and data lines map to the ROM? maybe it's
      > > mixed up or misaddressed.
      > >
      > > 000000 8CF48CF4 8CF48CF4 DF00DF00 DF00DF00
      > > 000010 1DDF1DDF 1DDF1DDF FFBDFFBD FFBDFFBD
      > > 000020 5EDF5EDF 5EDF5EDF 30DC30DC 30DC30DC
      > > 000030 30DC30DC 30DC30DC 4EAB4EAB 4EAB4EAB
      > > 000040 8CF48CF4 8CF48CF4 DF00DF00 DF00DF00
      > > 000050 1DDF1DDF 1DDF1DDF FFBDFFBD FFBDFFBD
      > > 000060 5EDF5EDF 5EDF5EDF 30DC30DC 30DC30DC
      > > 000070 30DC30DC 30DC30DC 4EAB4EAB 4EAB4EAB
      >
      >
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    • Bill's Old email
      although, I think Mark was kludging the chip into a socket so it could be bad connections. ... From: Bill s Old email To:
      Message 2 of 7 , Jun 13, 2003
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        although, I think Mark was kludging the chip into a socket so it could be
        bad connections.
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "Bill's Old email" <bill.rowe@...>
        To: <cosmacelf@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:35 PM
        Subject: Re: [cosmacelf] More MSI-88e Deconstruction


        > or maybe the two top address bits aren't used and the address lines are
        > oddly mapped?
        >
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: "Dave Ruske" <dave@...>
        > To: <cosmacelf@yahoogroups.com>
        > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:32 PM
        > Subject: Re: [cosmacelf] More MSI-88e Deconstruction
        >
        >
        > > Looks to me like some stuck or bad address lines... offhand, that's
        > > exactly the sort of pattern you'd end up with if address bits 1 and 2
        > > were stuck, I believe.
        > >
        > > Dave
        > >
        > > On Friday, June 13, 2003, at 06:34 PM, Bill's Old email wrote:
        > > > Hi Mark:
        > > > I had a look at the BIN file. The first bit is included below. It
        > > > all looks sort of like this, 4 repetitions of 2 bytes. They are of
        > > > course valid 1802 instructions (hell the 1802 will execute a brick if
        > > > it's got an even number of hex digits!) but they're not too promising.
        > > > How do the 1802 address and data lines map to the ROM? maybe it's
        > > > mixed up or misaddressed.
        > > >
        > > > 000000 8CF48CF4 8CF48CF4 DF00DF00 DF00DF00
        > > > 000010 1DDF1DDF 1DDF1DDF FFBDFFBD FFBDFFBD
        > > > 000020 5EDF5EDF 5EDF5EDF 30DC30DC 30DC30DC
        > > > 000030 30DC30DC 30DC30DC 4EAB4EAB 4EAB4EAB
        > > > 000040 8CF48CF4 8CF48CF4 DF00DF00 DF00DF00
        > > > 000050 1DDF1DDF 1DDF1DDF FFBDFFBD FFBDFFBD
        > > > 000060 5EDF5EDF 5EDF5EDF 30DC30DC 30DC30DC
        > > > 000070 30DC30DC 30DC30DC 4EAB4EAB 4EAB4EAB
        > >
        > >
        > >
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      • Bill's Old email
        Mark: The data lines don t look stuck but could they be scrambled? ... From: Mark Graybill To: Sent:
        Message 3 of 7 , Jun 13, 2003
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          Mark: The data lines don't look stuck but could they be scrambled?
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: "Mark Graybill" <saundby@...>
          To: <cosmacelf@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 10:17 PM
          Subject: Re: [cosmacelf] More MSI-88e Deconstruction


          > Bad connections are possible, and that's what it looked like to me once I
          > got a chance to look at the code. I'm going to do another dump with my
          thumb
          > on top of the chip. ;)
          >
          > -Mark G.
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: "Bill's Old email" <bill.rowe@...>
          > To: <cosmacelf@yahoogroups.com>
          > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 6:39 PM
          > Subject: Re: [cosmacelf] More MSI-88e Deconstruction
          >
          >
          > > although, I think Mark was kludging the chip into a socket so it could
          be
          > > bad connections.
          > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > From: "Bill's Old email" <bill.rowe@...>
          > > To: <cosmacelf@yahoogroups.com>
          > > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:35 PM
          > > Subject: Re: [cosmacelf] More MSI-88e Deconstruction
          > >
          > >
          > > > or maybe the two top address bits aren't used and the address lines
          are
          > > > oddly mapped?
          > > >
          > > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > > From: "Dave Ruske" <dave@...>
          > > > To: <cosmacelf@yahoogroups.com>
          > > > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:32 PM
          > > > Subject: Re: [cosmacelf] More MSI-88e Deconstruction
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > > Looks to me like some stuck or bad address lines... offhand, that's
          > > > > exactly the sort of pattern you'd end up with if address bits 1 and
          2
          > > > > were stuck, I believe.
          > > > >
          > > > > Dave
          > > > >
          > > > > On Friday, June 13, 2003, at 06:34 PM, Bill's Old email wrote:
          > > > > > Hi Mark:
          > > > > > I had a look at the BIN file. The first bit is included below.
          It
          > > > > > all looks sort of like this, 4 repetitions of 2 bytes. They are
          of
          > > > > > course valid 1802 instructions (hell the 1802 will execute a brick
          > if
          > > > > > it's got an even number of hex digits!) but they're not too
          > promising.
          > > > > > How do the 1802 address and data lines map to the ROM? maybe
          it's
          > > > > > mixed up or misaddressed.
          > > > > >
          > > > > > 000000 8CF48CF4 8CF48CF4 DF00DF00 DF00DF00
          > > > > > 000010 1DDF1DDF 1DDF1DDF FFBDFFBD FFBDFFBD
          > > > > > 000020 5EDF5EDF 5EDF5EDF 30DC30DC 30DC30DC
          > > > > > 000030 30DC30DC 30DC30DC 4EAB4EAB 4EAB4EAB
          > > > > > 000040 8CF48CF4 8CF48CF4 DF00DF00 DF00DF00
          > > > > > 000050 1DDF1DDF 1DDF1DDF FFBDFFBD FFBDFFBD
          > > > > > 000060 5EDF5EDF 5EDF5EDF 30DC30DC 30DC30DC
          > > > > > 000070 30DC30DC 30DC30DC 4EAB4EAB 4EAB4EAB
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > ========================================================
          > > > > Visit the COSMAC ELF website at http://www.cosmacelf.com, or view
          the
          > > > Wiki/FAQ at http://1802.bitting.com/
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        • Mark Graybill
          Bad connections are possible, and that s what it looked like to me once I got a chance to look at the code. I m going to do another dump with my thumb on top
          Message 4 of 7 , Jun 13, 2003
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            Bad connections are possible, and that's what it looked like to me once I
            got a chance to look at the code. I'm going to do another dump with my thumb
            on top of the chip. ;)

            -Mark G.
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: "Bill's Old email" <bill.rowe@...>
            To: <cosmacelf@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 6:39 PM
            Subject: Re: [cosmacelf] More MSI-88e Deconstruction


            > although, I think Mark was kludging the chip into a socket so it could be
            > bad connections.
            > ----- Original Message -----
            > From: "Bill's Old email" <bill.rowe@...>
            > To: <cosmacelf@yahoogroups.com>
            > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:35 PM
            > Subject: Re: [cosmacelf] More MSI-88e Deconstruction
            >
            >
            > > or maybe the two top address bits aren't used and the address lines are
            > > oddly mapped?
            > >
            > > ----- Original Message -----
            > > From: "Dave Ruske" <dave@...>
            > > To: <cosmacelf@yahoogroups.com>
            > > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:32 PM
            > > Subject: Re: [cosmacelf] More MSI-88e Deconstruction
            > >
            > >
            > > > Looks to me like some stuck or bad address lines... offhand, that's
            > > > exactly the sort of pattern you'd end up with if address bits 1 and 2
            > > > were stuck, I believe.
            > > >
            > > > Dave
            > > >
            > > > On Friday, June 13, 2003, at 06:34 PM, Bill's Old email wrote:
            > > > > Hi Mark:
            > > > > I had a look at the BIN file. The first bit is included below. It
            > > > > all looks sort of like this, 4 repetitions of 2 bytes. They are of
            > > > > course valid 1802 instructions (hell the 1802 will execute a brick
            if
            > > > > it's got an even number of hex digits!) but they're not too
            promising.
            > > > > How do the 1802 address and data lines map to the ROM? maybe it's
            > > > > mixed up or misaddressed.
            > > > >
            > > > > 000000 8CF48CF4 8CF48CF4 DF00DF00 DF00DF00
            > > > > 000010 1DDF1DDF 1DDF1DDF FFBDFFBD FFBDFFBD
            > > > > 000020 5EDF5EDF 5EDF5EDF 30DC30DC 30DC30DC
            > > > > 000030 30DC30DC 30DC30DC 4EAB4EAB 4EAB4EAB
            > > > > 000040 8CF48CF4 8CF48CF4 DF00DF00 DF00DF00
            > > > > 000050 1DDF1DDF 1DDF1DDF FFBDFFBD FFBDFFBD
            > > > > 000060 5EDF5EDF 5EDF5EDF 30DC30DC 30DC30DC
            > > > > 000070 30DC30DC 30DC30DC 4EAB4EAB 4EAB4EAB
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > ========================================================
            > > > Visit the COSMAC ELF website at http://www.cosmacelf.com, or view the
            > > Wiki/FAQ at http://1802.bitting.com/
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            > >
            > >
            > >
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