493Re: [cooking_rumpolt] OT: 16th c. German, not Rumpolt
- Mar 9, 2010I disagree with your interpretation of gericht. Yes, Gericht is court of law, and gericht is associated with right/correctness, BUT in this case 'ein gericht' is 'a dish' as in prepared food. I do not think the definition has changed from then to modern.
As for who the ihnen refers to I would lean toward a particular people. not having seen how this fits in context I hesitate to guess, but if it is part of a travel report then perhaps the ihnen are his hosts????
From: "wheezul@..." <wheezul@...>
Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 9:43:57 AM
Subject: Re: [cooking_rumpolt] OT: 16th c. German, not Rumpolt
>>Item, schaffen flaisch, klain gehagt, des thut man ein loffelThis sentence seems to be a sticking point.
>>voller auff ein wein plat, wigkelt man zusamen wie ein krapffen.
>>Daruntter hagt man auch sawere pflawmen, sewdt man allein
>>im wasser ab, das sol bey inen auch ein guth, herlich gericht
>>sein vnd hot darzw die wein pletter vberal fail.
das sol bey inen auch ein guth, herlich gericht
>>seinLet's analyze each word for nuance because as translators, especially ones
not fluent in the language from birth, tend to go with what matches our
perception and we don't understand the breadth of a word. Especially
since we are talking older forms.
das = that
sol = sollen = should (in the sense of obligation)
bey = bei = by (in the sense of near perhaps)
inen = ihnen = here we need to determine what this pronoun is referring?
In some cases it can mean 'you' but the earlier form in the recipe uses
'man' which is more the equivalent of using 'one'. It also is the word
for 'them' which I think makes more sense in the context of the
instructions as referring to the grape leaf packets.
auch = also, as well, in addition, too
ein = a or one
guth = gut = good (in the sense of quality)
herlich = herrlich = Grimm's worterbuch advises there are several meanings
to the word, but that in usage up to the 19th century it meant usually
lovely or pretty and was used to describe things like dishes and weather
or lovely girls, for example, in the medieval period. The word can also
gericht = correctness (in terms of law - think of the English word 'right'
and 'rights' to get a sense of how to think of the term) "Machs recht" is
a very common statement in the cookbook I'm working in that I think means
to make as is correct or "until done".
sein = to be
So let's put the concepts into English word order
In addition that them (they) should be near a good lovely correctness
which when I try to wrap my head around it may mean "until they look
correctly well done".
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