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  • Henrik Theiling
    The following is the de facto Conlang-L FAQ, hosted at: http://wiki.frath.net/Conlang-L_FAQ This is automatically posted once a month, copied directly from
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      The following is the de facto Conlang-L FAQ, hosted at:

      http://wiki.frath.net/Conlang-L_FAQ

      This is automatically posted once a month, copied directly from that page,
      for the benefit of new members. If you would like to change it, please
      edit it at the link above.

      **Henrik


      ==Where to get Conlang-L==

      The official archives are at http://listserv.brown.edu/archives/conlang.html .
      From there, you can search the archives, get an RSS feed, manage your
      subscription, etc.

      It's also the ONLY place you can go to sign up and post things to the list.

      A read-only archive with a nicer user interface is at
      http://archives.conlang.info/ . [As of April 2009 this archive has ceased
      mirroring new messages. Henrik Theiling knows about the problem and has said
      he's planning to fix it but hasn't had time to do so yet.]

      Conlang-L is also _mirrored_ as a Yahoo group, but there is no way to have
      posts to the Yahoo group sent to the actual list. Do *not* subscribe to the
      Yahoo group. It has no admin anymore. Go to
      http://listserv.brown.edu/archives/conlang.html instead!

      ==A brief history of the list==

      The list evolved from some informal email conversations among an early group
      of language enthusiasts. The earliest mail mirror was run by John Ross out of
      the BU physics department, and was up and running by 29 July 1991. It moved to
      Denmark on 23 March, 1993.

      The original note reads in part:

      ''By agreement with John Ross, the CONLANG mailing list has been moved to
      diku.dk, the mail hub of the CS Department of the University of Copenhagen.
      Send all submissions to CONLANG at diku dot dk. The address at buphy still
      works, but it is just an alias for the new list.''

      ''Lars Mathiesen (U of Copenhagen CS Dept) (Humour NOT marked)''

      (Note that the submission address in that historical note '''NO LONGER
      WORKS'''.)

      Later, growing traffic and changes at the university necessitated a move. In
      January–February of 1997 the list moved to its current home at Brown
      University's LISTSERV server. David Durand made the move and actively
      moderated the list from that point on.

      Before the move, threads centered on debates on the relative merits of
      [[auxlang]]s had become common on CONLANG; these were often incendiary and
      irritated many listmembers. Accordingly, when the new CONLANG list was set up
      at Brown, a sister list AUXLANG was set up to cater to participants of these
      threads, and auxlang advocacy was banned from CONLANG. It still is.
      (Dispassionate discussion of auxlangs is welcome.)

      In ??? John Cowan took over actual moderation duties, as "Lord of the
      Instrumentality".

      Later the torch was passed to Henrik Theiling.

      ==List behaviour==

      The CONLANG list rejects attachments.

      ===Posting limits===

      As a traffic-limiting measure, if the list receives more than 99 messages in a
      given day (in Brown's time zone), all subsequent messages will be
      automatically held and not delivered until the admin unblocks the list.

      Sometimes, during longer periods of high traffic, a further limit is imposed
      restricting each person to five posts a day. ''This restriction is currently
      in force.'' Messages beyond the daily limit are simply bounced, not held for
      the next day.

      Posters are encouraged to consolidate several shorter replies on a single
      topic into a single message.

      ==Subject Topic Tags==

      In the subject line of a post, you can mark the post with one of the following
      tags. Tags are only recognised if a colon follows immediately: no other
      decoration (e.g. brackets, an extra space) should be used. Any 'Re:' etc. is
      irrelevant -- the software skips it.

      Good tag syntax:

      CHAT: Is the world really round?

      Bad tag syntax:

      [CHAT]: Is the world really round?

      These are the official tags the listserv software can be instructed to

      filter automatically. There are currently exactly four:

      * OT: off-topic stuff

      * CHAT: off-topic stuff of the conversational sort

      * USAGE: natural language usage (all of the YAEPT and similar should use this)

      * THEORY: linguistic theory discussions

      Only the above tags are official and configured for filtering. However, most
      advanced mail clients can be set to have extra filters, such as for the
      following unofficial tags:

      * OFFLIST: not actually seen on-list, this tag is added to make explicitly
      clear that you are taking a subject offlist (i.e. you're emailing someone
      directly about it)

      The following are explicitly not included in the list of filterable tags:

      * META: threads about CONLANG-L itself

      * TECH: technical issues (e.g. email programs, list-related technical
      problems, etc)

      Finally, there are two meta-tags:

      * [CONLANG]: This should not be actually added when starting a new subject;
      you can make the listserv prepend it automatically to all email (so that you
      can set your mail client to filter all list traffic)

      * "was": used to change the subject, or more commonly, to indicate that the
      subject of a thread changed a while ago and you're no longer pretending it's
      about the original topic

      Example:

      JAMA says flat earth leads to flat [@] (was CHAT: Is the world really round?)

      Note that tags ARE included after the "was", but "Re:" is NOT, nor is
      [CONLANG].

      ==Acronyms==

      List of acronyms specific to the Conlang Mailing List:

      * AFMCL - "As for my conlang.."

      ** AFMOCL - "As for my own conlang"

      * ANADEW - "A natlang's already dunnit, except worse"

      * ANADEWism - Something you thought was unique, but ANADEW

      * IML - "in my 'lect" (dialect or [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiolect
      idiolect], depending on context)

      * LCC - the [http://conference.conlang.org Language Creation Conference]

      * LCS - the [http://conlang.org Language Creation Society]

      * NCNC - "No cross, no crown". In the context of the list, "don't discuss
      religion or politics"
      ([http://recycledknowledge.blogspot.com/2006/05/no-cross-no-crown.html not its
      more general meaning]).

      * NLF2DWS or NLWS - Non-linear [fully 2-dimensional] writing system

      * YAEPT (the original acronym) - Yet Another English Pronunciation Thread

      ** YADPT ... Dutch Pronunciation ...

      ** YAGPT ... German Pronunciation ...

      ** YAEGT ... English Grammar ...

      ** YAEUT ... English Usage ...

      ** general pattern: YA(Language)(Topic)T

      Acronyms not on this list might be in general usage: try
      [http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Aafaict Google's define:] or
      [http://www.acronymfinder.com/ Acronym Finder].

      ==Other conlang-specific vocabulary==

      From [http://cassowary.free.fr/Linguistics/Conlang%20Dictionary/ here] and
      [http://arthaey.mine.nu/~arthaey/conlang/faq.html here]. See also [[Conlang
      terminology]].

      con__

      * constructed __ (generally a contraction): conlang, conworld, conhistory,
      conculture, ...

      __lang

      * a language characterised by ___ (generally a contraction): conlang, artlang,
      auxlang, ...

      [[artlang]]

      # A language constructed for the beauty or fun of doing so. [From art(istic) +
      lang(uage)]

      # (See conlang) [From art(ificial) + lang(uage)]

      [[auxlang]]

      * A language constructed to replace or complement natlangs to facilitate
      cross-linguistic communication. [From aux(iliary) + lang(uage)]

      concultural [From con(structed) + cultur(e) + al]

      * Adjective form of "conculture".

      [[conculture]] [From con(structed) + culture]

      * A fictional culture created as a backdrop to a conlang. See also "conworld".

      [[conlang]] [From con(structed) + lang(uage)]

      # n. A constructed language

      # v. To construct a language

      [[CONLANG]] (all caps), conlang-l, Conlang-L, or CONLANG-L

      * A very active conlang mailing list hosted by brown.edu, and currently
      operated by Henrik Theiling

      [[conworld]] [From con(structed) + world]

      * A fictional world created to host a conlang or conculture. See also
      "conculture".

      [[engelang]] /ˈendʒlæŋ/ [From eng(ineered) + lang(uage)]

      * A conlang that is designed to certain criteria, such that it is objectively
      testable whether the criteria are met or not. This is different from claiming
      that the criteria themselves are 'objective'. For example, the Lojban/Loglan
      roots are designed to be maximally recognisable to the speakers of the
      (numerically) largest languages in the world in proportion to the number of
      speakers. It is not a matter of taste whether this criterion is met; it is
      something that can be tested. (by John Cowan) [From eng(ineered) + lang(uage)]

      etabnannery /raːmnænəɹi/ (rare)

      * The state of appearing entirely unpredictable, but, upon closer analysis,
      failing at even being that. [From Etá̄bnann(i), a conlang by Tristan McLeay,
      which was supposed to have an unpredictable orthography, but ended up just
      having a confusing one. Damn people trying to make patterns everywhere. At
      least it's a bugger to typeset!... errm... back to the derivation + -ery]

      maggelity /məˈgɛlɪti/ (rare) [From Maggel, a conlang by Christophe
      Grandsire which has a rarely predictable orthography]

      # The state of being entirely unpredictable. (Tristan McLeay)

      # The state of being regularly unpredictable, such as to horribly confuse
      anyone unfamiliar with the language, lulling them into a full sense of
      security before pointing out, cartoon-character-style, that the ground no
      longer exists where they're standing. (Tristan McLeay and H. S. Teoh)

      Maggel's Paradox (rare)

      * Your radical ideas have already occurred to others. (Muke Tever)

      [[natlang]] [From nat(ural) + lang(uage)]

      # A natural language, i.e., one that naturally developed in the world, as
      opposed to a conlang.

      ObConlang (or ObCL)

      * Just before something about conlanging in an otherwise off-topic post.

      * From ob(ligatory) + conlang (i.e., an obligatory on-topic comment about
      conlangs just so that the post isn't completely off-topic).

      [[translation relay]]

      * A game similar to Telephone or Chinese Whispers, wherein the participants
      translate a passage one at a time, in serial, into their own languages - and
      then marvel at how far from the original the translations have gotten.

      ==CXS (Conlang X-SAMPA)==

      [[CXS]] is a version of X-SAMPA for use on the CONLANG mailing list. X-SAMPA
      is a way to write the IPA (International Phonetic Alphabet) using normal
      plain-ASCII text that everyone can read.

      * [http://www.theiling.de/ipa/ Theiling Online: Conlang X-Sampa (CXS)] -
      includes CXS-to-IPA conversion chart

      * [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Conlang/Appendix/CXS CXS at Wikibooks]

      ==Related lists==

      The Auxlang list, mentioned above, is dedicated to international auxiliary
      languages. Its archives and subscription interface are at
      http://listserv.brown.edu/archives/auxlang.html .

      The list relay@... is dedicated to the planning and
      conducting of [[conlang relay]]s, q.v.

      ==Resources==

      * [http://www.arthaey.com/conlang/faq.html Arthaey's Conlang FAQ]

      * [http://www.langmaker.com LangMaker] - repository of many conlang
      "biographies"

      * [http://wiki.frath.net Frath Wiki] - a similar site, and host of the
      Conlang-L (wikified) FAQ

      * [http://www.omniglot.com Omniglot] - which has information on more writing
      systems than you thought could exist

      {{Conlangculture}}

      [[Category:Terminology]]
    • Henrik Theiling
      The following is the de facto Conlang-L FAQ, hosted at: http://wiki.frath.net/Conlang-L_FAQ This is automatically posted once a month, copied directly from
      Message 56 of 56 , Mar 31
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        The following is the de facto Conlang-L FAQ, hosted at:

        http://wiki.frath.net/Conlang-L_FAQ

        This is automatically posted once a month, copied directly from that page,
        for the benefit of new members. If you would like to change it, please
        edit it at the link above.

        **Henrik


        ==Where to get Conlang-L==

        The official archives are at http://listserv.brown.edu/archives/conlang.html .
        From there, you can search the archives, get an RSS feed, manage your
        subscription, etc.

        It's also the ONLY place you can go to sign up and post things to the list.

        A read-only archive with a nicer user interface is at
        http://archives.conlang.info/ . [As of April 2009 this archive has ceased
        mirroring new messages. Henrik Theiling knows about the problem and has said
        he's planning to fix it but hasn't had time to do so yet.]

        Conlang-L is also _mirrored_ as a Yahoo group, but there is no way to have
        posts to the Yahoo group sent to the actual list. Do *not* subscribe to the
        Yahoo group. It has no admin anymore. Go to
        http://listserv.brown.edu/archives/conlang.html instead!

        ==A brief history of the list==

        The list evolved from some informal email conversations among an early group
        of language enthusiasts. The earliest mail mirror was run by John Ross out of
        the BU physics department, and was up and running by 29 July 1991. It moved to
        Denmark on 23 March, 1993.

        The original note reads in part:

        ''By agreement with John Ross, the CONLANG mailing list has been moved to
        diku.dk, the mail hub of the CS Department of the University of Copenhagen.
        Send all submissions to CONLANG at diku dot dk. The address at buphy still
        works, but it is just an alias for the new list.''

        ''Lars Mathiesen (U of Copenhagen CS Dept) (Humour NOT marked)''

        (Note that the submission address in that historical note '''NO LONGER
        WORKS'''.)

        Later, growing traffic and changes at the university necessitated a move. In
        January–February of 1997 the list moved to its current home at Brown
        University's LISTSERV server. David Durand made the move and actively
        moderated the list from that point on.

        Before the move, threads centered on debates on the relative merits of
        [[auxlang]]s had become common on CONLANG; these were often incendiary and
        irritated many listmembers. Accordingly, when the new CONLANG list was set up
        at Brown, a sister list AUXLANG was set up to cater to participants of these
        threads, and auxlang advocacy was banned from CONLANG. It still is.
        (Dispassionate discussion of auxlangs is welcome.)

        In ??? John Cowan took over actual moderation duties, as "Lord of the
        Instrumentality". The torch was later passed to Henrik Theiling, and again
        (in 2014) jointly to Alex Fink and And Rosta.

        ==List behaviour==

        The CONLANG list rejects attachments.

        It also discards the HTML part of MIME-formatted messages: that is, bold or
        italic text, super- and sub-scripts, tables, and anything else fancier than
        plain text will not come through. Your mail client may attempt to make
        informed substitutions for these in messages you send, but for tables
        especially this is unreliable; it's best to prepare your tables, interlinears,
        etc. in fixed-width plain text, using spaces or tabs (but not a mix of both)
        for alignment.

        ===Posting limits===

        As a traffic-limiting measure, if the list receives more than 99 messages in a
        given day (in Brown's time zone), all subsequent messages will be
        automatically held and not delivered until the admin unblocks the list.

        Each individual poster is limited to 7 messages per day. Messages beyond the
        daily limit are simply bounced, not held for the next day. Posters are
        encouraged to consolidate several shorter replies on a single topic into a
        single message.

        ==Subject Topic Tags==

        In the subject line of a post, you can mark the post with one of the following
        tags. Tags are only recognised if a colon follows immediately: no other
        decoration (e.g. brackets, an extra space) should be used. Any 'Re:' etc. is
        irrelevant -- the software skips it.

        Good tag syntax:

        CHAT: Is the world really round?

        Bad tag syntax:

        [CHAT]: Is the world really round?

        These are the official tags the listserv software can be instructed to

        filter automatically. There are currently exactly four:

        * OT: off-topic stuff

        * CHAT: off-topic stuff of the conversational sort

        * USAGE: natural language usage (all of the YAEPT and similar should use this)

        * THEORY: linguistic theory discussions

        Only the above tags are official and configured for filtering. However, most
        advanced mail clients can be set to have extra filters, such as for the
        following unofficial tags:

        * OFFLIST: not actually seen on-list, this tag is added to make explicitly
        clear that you are taking a subject offlist (i.e. you're emailing someone
        directly about it)

        The following are explicitly not included in the list of filterable tags:

        * META: threads about CONLANG-L itself

        * TECH: technical issues (e.g. email programs, list-related technical
        problems, etc)

        Finally, there are two meta-tags:

        * [CONLANG]: This should not be actually added when starting a new subject;
        you can make the listserv prepend it automatically to all email (so that you
        can set your mail client to filter all list traffic)

        * "was": used to change the subject, or more commonly, to indicate that the
        subject of a thread changed a while ago and you're no longer pretending it's
        about the original topic

        Example:

        JAMA says flat earth leads to flat [@] (was CHAT: Is the world really round?)

        Note that tags ARE included after the "was", but "Re:" is NOT, nor is
        [CONLANG].

        ==Acronyms==

        List of acronyms specific to the Conlang Mailing List:

        * AFMCL - "As for my conlang.."

        ** AFMOCL - "As for my own conlang"

        * ANADEW - "A natlang's already dunnit, except worse"

        * ANADEWism - Something you thought was unique, but ANADEW

        * IML - "in my 'lect" (dialect or [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiolect
        idiolect], depending on context)

        * LCC - the [http://conference.conlang.org Language Creation Conference]

        * LCS - the [http://conlang.org Language Creation Society]

        * NCNC - "No cross, no crown". In the context of the list, "don't discuss
        religion or politics"
        ([http://recycledknowledge.blogspot.com/2006/05/no-cross-no-crown.html not its
        more general meaning]).

        * NLF2DWS or NLWS - Non-linear [fully 2-dimensional] writing system

        * YAEPT (the original acronym) - Yet Another English Pronunciation Thread

        ** YADPT ... Dutch Pronunciation ...

        ** YAGPT ... German Pronunciation ...

        ** YAEGT ... English Grammar ...

        ** YAEUT ... English Usage ...

        ** general pattern: YA(Language)(Topic)T

        Acronyms not on this list might be in general usage: try
        [http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Aafaict Google's define:] or
        [http://www.acronymfinder.com/ Acronym Finder].

        ==Other conlang-specific vocabulary==

        From [http://cassowary.free.fr/Linguistics/Conlang%20Dictionary/ here] and
        [http://arthaey.mine.nu/~arthaey/conlang/faq.html here]. See also [[Conlang
        terminology]].

        con__

        * constructed __ (generally a contraction): conlang, conworld, conhistory,
        conculture, ...

        __lang

        * a language characterised by ___ (generally a contraction): conlang, artlang,
        auxlang, ...

        [[artlang]]

        # A language constructed for the beauty or fun of doing so. [From art(istic) +
        lang(uage)]

        # (See conlang) [From art(ificial) + lang(uage)]

        [[auxlang]]

        * A language constructed to replace or complement natlangs to facilitate
        cross-linguistic communication. [From aux(iliary) + lang(uage)]

        concultural [From con(structed) + cultur(e) + al]

        * Adjective form of "conculture".

        [[conculture]] [From con(structed) + culture]

        * A fictional culture created as a backdrop to a conlang. See also "conworld".

        [[conlang]] [From con(structed) + lang(uage)]

        # n. A constructed language

        # v. To construct a language

        [[CONLANG]] (all caps), conlang-l, Conlang-L, or CONLANG-L

        * A very active conlang mailing list hosted by brown.edu, and currently
        operated by Henrik Theiling

        [[conworld]] [From con(structed) + world]

        * A fictional world created to host a conlang or conculture. See also
        "conculture".

        [[engelang]] /ˈendʒlæŋ/ [From eng(ineered) + lang(uage)]

        * A conlang that is designed to certain criteria, such that it is objectively
        testable whether the criteria are met or not. This is different from claiming
        that the criteria themselves are 'objective'. For example, the Lojban/Loglan
        roots are designed to be maximally recognisable to the speakers of the
        (numerically) largest languages in the world in proportion to the number of
        speakers. It is not a matter of taste whether this criterion is met; it is
        something that can be tested. (by John Cowan) [From eng(ineered) + lang(uage)]

        etabnannery /raːmnænəɹi/ (rare)

        * The state of appearing entirely unpredictable, but, upon closer analysis,
        failing at even being that. [From Etá̄bnann(i), a conlang by Tristan McLeay,
        which was supposed to have an unpredictable orthography, but ended up just
        having a confusing one. Damn people trying to make patterns everywhere. At
        least it's a bugger to typeset!... errm... back to the derivation + -ery]

        maggelity /məˈgɛlɪti/ (rare) [From Maggel, a conlang by Christophe
        Grandsire which has a rarely predictable orthography]

        # The state of being entirely unpredictable. (Tristan McLeay)

        # The state of being regularly unpredictable, such as to horribly confuse
        anyone unfamiliar with the language, lulling them into a full sense of
        security before pointing out, cartoon-character-style, that the ground no
        longer exists where they're standing. (Tristan McLeay and H. S. Teoh)

        Maggel's Paradox (rare)

        * Your radical ideas have already occurred to others. (Muke Tever)

        [[natlang]] [From nat(ural) + lang(uage)]

        # A natural language, i.e., one that naturally developed in the world, as
        opposed to a conlang.

        ObConlang (or ObCL)

        * Just before something about conlanging in an otherwise off-topic post.

        * From ob(ligatory) + conlang (i.e., an obligatory on-topic comment about
        conlangs just so that the post isn't completely off-topic).

        [[translation relay]]

        * A game similar to Telephone or Chinese Whispers, wherein the participants
        translate a passage one at a time, in serial, into their own languages - and
        then marvel at how far from the original the translations have gotten.

        ==CXS (Conlang X-SAMPA)==

        [[CXS]] is a version of X-SAMPA for use on the CONLANG mailing list. X-SAMPA
        is a way to write the IPA (International Phonetic Alphabet) using normal
        plain-ASCII text that everyone can read.

        * [http://www.theiling.de/ipa/ Theiling Online: Conlang X-Sampa (CXS)] -
        includes CXS-to-IPA conversion chart

        * [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Conlang/Appendix/CXS CXS at Wikibooks]

        ==Related lists==

        The Auxlang list, mentioned above, is dedicated to international auxiliary
        languages. Its archives and subscription interface are at
        http://listserv.brown.edu/archives/auxlang.html .

        The list relay@... is dedicated to the planning and
        conducting of [[conlang relay]]s, q.v.

        ==Resources==

        * [http://www.arthaey.com/conlang/faq.html Arthaey's Conlang FAQ]

        * [http://www.langmaker.com LangMaker] - repository of many conlang
        "biographies"

        * [http://wiki.frath.net Frath Wiki] - a similar site, and host of the
        Conlang-L (wikified) FAQ

        * [http://www.omniglot.com Omniglot] - which has information on more writing
        systems than you thought could exist

        {{Conlangculture}}

        [[Category:Terminology]]
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