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  • Haggen Kennedy
    Hi. :) ... Er... actually no, I don t believe it does. :/ See below. ... I don t know in Spanish. In Portuguese, pouco comes from Latin paucus ; and
    Message 1 of 52 , Apr 3, 2008
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      Hi. :)

      Scotto Hlad wrote:
      > So then pequeno and poco come from the same root?

      Er... actually no, I don't believe it does. :/ See below.

      > Pequeno is derived from pitzinus.

      I don't know in Spanish. In Portuguese, "pouco" comes from Latin
      "paucus"; and "pequeno" is usually (there is still a little dissension
      about it) ascribed to some sort of crossover between Vulgar Latin
      "pitinnus" with the root "*pikk-" (present in Italian 'piccolo',
      'piccino'). If you read Corominas, he'll say that "pequen-" belongs to
      the "la vasta colección de expresiones romances de la idea de pequeñez
      (it. pìccolo, piccìno, fr. petit, sardo pithinnu, gascón pouninn, etc.)
      constituídas todas ellas por una p inicial, seguida, por lo común, de
      vocal aguda, otra oclusiva sorda y en la terminación -innu. En latín
      vulgar se encuentra ya pitinnus, y en las formas hispánicas esta
      variante se presenta combinada con la consoante interna del tipo
      piccolo." (translating: pequen- belongs to the wide collection of
      romance expressions of littleness (it. pìccolo, piccìno, fr. petit,
      sardo pithinnu, gascón pouninn, etc.), constituted, all of them, of an
      initial P, usually followed by an acute vowel, of another unvoiced
      occlusive and of the ending -innu. In Vulgar Latin, there already exists
      [the word] pitinnus, and, in the Hispanic model, this variant presents
      itself combined with the inner consonant of the type "piccolo".)

      Corominas is Spanish, but what he said is true for Portuguese as well -
      the process he mentioned has existed in Portuguese since the very
      origins of the language, in words like apequenado, empequenecer,
      pequename, pequenete, pequenote etc.

      Benct Philip Jonsson wrote:
      > Meyer-Lübke's "Romanisches Etymologisches Wörterbuch"
      > rejects a connexion with PAUCUS

      I personally agree.

      > Meyer-Lübkes conclusion is that the root of
      > the Spanish _pequeño_ is unknown.

      As far as I know, there isn't a consensus yet, although most Romance
      etymologists tend to agree that it comes from the source I mention in
      the beginning of this e-mail. I actually agree with that view myself.

      Ken :)
    • Benct Philip Jonsson
      ... IMNSHO it looks like Hitler after a drunk shave... -- / BP
      Message 52 of 52 , Apr 12, 2008
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        2008/4/10, Eldin Raigmore <eldin_raigmore@...>:

        > were the "tongue-in-cheek" eomoticons.
        > Probably
        > :-')
        > is best.

        IMNSHO it looks like Hitler after a drunk shave...

        / BP
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