204145Re: Universal language for communicating with space aliens
- Jul 26, 2014I seem to have created a monster...
To reply to the latest crop of monsters:
(a) P.Austin keeps making wrong assertions faster than light
communication is possible due to quantum teleportation variants.
Wrong, wrong, wrong.
(b) Logan Kearsley: "Fun fact: 'languages' in the sense used by
linguists are also
'languages' in the sense used by programmers & computer scientists.
The reverse, however, as you have just said, is not true. In other
words, 'language' (LING) is a hyponym of 'language' (CS)."
--true. However, from my point of view as a mathematician, the thing
is that the CS notion
of "languages" is something completely mathematically definable. And
can prove theorems about it. The linguist notion of "languages" not
so. I simply do not know, in the sense of mathematical precision,
what is meant by their word "language." Or such
subconcepts as "nouns." Want to prove a theorem about "all languages"?
(E.g. theorem: every language must have nouns?) Good luck. Far as I
can see, you haven't got the foundational definitions, and until you
do, you've no hope of proving
such theorems or of true understanding ("true understanding" means
ability to prove theorems). Also far as I can see, all theorems that
have been proved, have been about sub-classes of the linguist
"language" concept, which CAN be defined.
(c) Lorinda J. Taylor:
The chances are that our first contact will be with a more primitive
species that we meet by going to their planet.
--I think that's untrue. First of all, "going to a planet" is
extremely hard and will
take very long time. Likely travel speeds 0.001c.
Far simpler & faster is to just communicate. If we believe other
civilizations are common, then many will be way older & more advanced
than us, will detect us, and the scheme I proposed based on them
transmitting an AI, will work.
If, au contraire, we believe they are uncommon, then the question is pretty moot
since we'll never find them and they'll never find us,or anyhow it'll
take a very very
long time, far longer than our lives.
Warren D. Smith
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