203016Re: Labialization in Senjecas
- May 7, 20142014-05-07 09:35, Njenfalgar skrev:
> 2014-05-06 23:09 GMT+07:00 Roman Rausch <aranwe@...>:What's wrong with historical linguists? ;-)
>>> <ъ> is very much the right grapheme, having originally stood
>>> for (the reflex of) a short /u/!
>> Well, <ъ> would be natural to the historical linguist, but not to many
>> On the other hand, <ъ> is still used as a vowel sign in BulgarianOf the two Cyrillic conorthographies I've devised I used <ъ> to
>> which might give a justification.
distinguish /v d g x/ from /w ð ɣ h/ in the one and for
(evanescent) /ə/ in the other, so I've not actually been a
naughty historical linguist. Both of those orthographies were
supposed to have been devised in the 19th century BTW.
The question is also when the Senjecas Cyrillicization was
devised, and by whom. IIRC the language is supposed to be spoken
by immortal or longaeval beings, in which case the choices made
by 20th century Soviet linguists may be irrelevant.
>>Isn't that largely dependent on when the transcription was
>> My first impulse was to simply use <у>, but googling a bit I find that the
>> transcription of Abaza (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abaza_language) even
>> uses <в>. I order for this to work, one shouldn't have contrasting clusters
>> with /v/, of course.
>> In Russian, both <у> and <в> are used somewhat inconsistently to represent
>> English /w/, for example Ватсон beside Уотсон for 'Watson', but always
>> Милуоки 'Milwaukee', Вашингтон 'Washington'.
established? The newer the transcription the likelier the word
was borrowed directly from English and not by way of German, and
the likelier <у> for /w/ as I've understood it.
>The problem with all of <в у ў> is that if you already have three of
> Why not use u-kratkoye: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%8E Seems to be in
> use in several languages for exactly stuff like /w/.
/v u w β/ you will be in trouble! I guess you could use
<в> /v/ ~ /β/
"sequences with <в>, <у>, <ә> for labialized consonants; and
sequences with <ӏ> or <ъ> for ejective consonants or
pharyngealized consonants and vowels"
so that if you have all four of /u v W β/ this would be an
*unless* you have already used <ә> for /æ/ or /ə/ˌ in which case
this could work:
Moreover Kazakh uses <у> for /w/ and <ұ> for /u/, which perhaps
should be considered among the possibilities.
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