197952Re: Mood and author opinion
- Jul 4, 20132013/7/3 Padraic Brown <elemtilas@...>:
>It occurs to me that if there was a "narrator pronoun" in some
>> On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 09:11:18 -0300, Leonardo Castro
>> <leolucas1980@...> wrote:
>> It's very succinct, so it looks like a "conjugation" associated with the
>> the person being deictically referred to by the first person singular.
>> But "afirma-se que" (it's affirmed that) and "nega-se
>> que" (it's denied that) have the additional idea of "but I don't guarantee what
>> is being told", while using "sim" (yes) and "não" (not)
>> gives us the idea of undoubtful information, although we know that we are simply
>> trusting the person who says that.
> Right. I don't see any "conjugation" here that specifically refers to the speaker.
language, it could unify "not" and "deny", "yes" and "affirm", "may"
and "guess", but it would sound very unnatural or philosophically
Isn't "narrator" a better word than "speaker" for the person we're
2013/7/3 H. S. Teoh <hsteoh@...>:
> On Wed, Jul 03, 2013 at 10:10:07AM -0700, Padraic Brown wrote:That's how choose-the-ending kids books are written. Take a look:
>> Ordinarily, the "speaker" is, well, the one "speaking"! In this
>> present paragraph, *I* am the speaker. In the paragraph I'm responding
>> to, *you* are the speaker. In the paragraph you were responding to,
>> *Alex* is the speaker. Things only gets a little wonkier in fiction:
>> the author is always the underlying speaker, because the words and
>> their context are his. (Unless it's a direct quote belonging to
>> someone else, in which case *that* is the speaker and the author is
>> merely quoting.) Above the level of author, the character to whom the
>> author has given words to say is the in-story speaker.
>> "The speaker" isn't always the first person, though. Even a story told
>> in the first person might still record speech of other people. Those
>> other people would still be the speakers of their own words. Of
>> course, any story narrated in second person has *you* as the speaker,
>> even though you never had anything to do with the actual writing of
>> the story.
> This reminds me of a funny anecdote... when I was back in 13th grade
> (back in those days when Ontario had such a thing), my English teacher
> once stated in class that while a story could be written in the 3rd
> person or the 1st person, it was impossible to write a story in the 2nd
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