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  • Adam Walker
    Jun 1 4:44 AM
      I have some archives from the 90s, but they are on diskette. If I can
      find a machine...

      On 6/1/11, R A Brown <ray@...> wrote:
      > On 01/06/2011 09:53, And Rosta wrote:
      >> R A Brown, On 01/06/2011 07:10:
      >>> In particular, I would like to find the email in which
      >>> Claudio Gnoli proposed his triangle.
      >>
      >> I think, on the basis of very hazy memory, that it might
      >> have been in his webpages on conlanging, not necessarily
      >> on Conlang List.
      >
      > It's not on his current webpages and it's not in my copy of
      > Liva which dates from September 1997. I still have a hazy
      > memory of an email.
      >
      >>> BTW it is clear that the term _conlang_ was already
      >>> established by 1991. Does anyone know when the term
      >>> first made its appearance or who coined it?
      >>
      >> I am certain that the term derives from (a -- perhaps
      >> unreflective -- reanalysis of) the name of the list, so
      >> either it would be the first use in the archives or, if
      >> it seems that everybody is using the term from the
      >> outset, then it must date from the brief period before
      >> the listservization of the list. Given the name of the
      >> list, it is only a short and natural step to apply the
      >> list name to the concept 'conlang'.
      >
      > OK - that makes sense. So, basically, the adoption of the
      > term 'conlang' by the list itself that has made the term
      > canonical.
      >
      >> Are you planning to also track down the first use of
      >> 'auxlang'? That must surely have been coined on Conlang
      >> list too, unless in that instance too the listname
      >> created the term.
      >
      > Good point - I hadn't, but I ought to if I want to get
      > things as accurately as possible. I guess it was coined on
      > the Conlang list before the "great sundering." Hopefully,
      > the name will occur in those early archives.
      >
      > I guess I ought to try to track down the first use of
      > _artlang_ and see if it was from "art language" or more
      > specifically Tolkien's "art-language" (or even "artistic
      > language", though I'm sure that is mistaken). But I suspect
      > it dates from the "missing years." :(
      > -------------------------------------------------
      >
      > On 01/06/2011 09:54, taliesin the storyteller wrote:
      > > On 2011-06-01 08:10, R A Brown wrote:
      > >> Does anyone know if and where stuff from July 1994 till
      > >> the 2nd week of September 1998 is archived?
      > >
      > > I used to have sometime 1996 (when I joined) to december
      > > 2002 but I didn't have backups... Would like to have'm
      > > back.
      > >
      > > Also, I think there was a time during the transition from
      > > Diku to Brown that the list was basically offline.
      >
      > I don't recall an actual break in the list at the time - but
      > I do recall some problem about the archives.
      >
      > Did nobody archive any conlang correspondence during those
      > "missing years"?
      >
      > --
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