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  • Samuel Curtis
    No, no-- not the problems of the homepages, but the thing I want to ask is about TV dramas. Last Friday I saw a TV drama of Chinese made, The Files of Young
    Message 1 of 8 , Nov 6, 2000
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      No, no-- not the problems of the homepages, but the thing I want to
      ask is about TV dramas.

      Last Friday I saw a TV drama of Chinese made, The Files of Young Pao,
      a detective series set some 1000 years ago (I don't watch the series
      often). When I watched, I found that some parts of it is certainly
      copied from the Idol's Locked Room Murder case from Conan. That part
      was as follows:

      A men sent to Pao, who in investigating a certain murder case,
      was found dead in his home. He was stabbed at the back and he wrote
      with blood, "Guo killed me", with Guo being a prime suspect of the
      murder case that Pao has been investigating. Later Pao said the man
      killed himself. Evidence:
      1)water on the floor;
      2)one chair stood in the centere of the room;
      3)Writing the murderer's name when the murderer attacked him
      from the back was unreasonable.

      Pao deduced the method that the man killed himself:
      1)He used two slabs of ice to put his sword in place.
      2)Write "Guo killed me" with blood on the floor.
      3)He pulled one chair to the centre of the room.
      4)He jumped down and let the sword to went through his body from his
      back.
      5)Quickly he turned his body over.

      Which is an exact replica of the Conan cas I've said, and
      evennot copied not very good: how can a commoner get ice some 1000
      years ago? (I've heard ice supply was restricted to the Royan family).
      Is that a breach of copyright? Shall I tell the Shogakukan?

      (Well I should have known this: I've known this series have copied
      Kindaichi previously.
    • Jessica R.
      ... Is this the same drama you ve written about before that had a character who parodied Conan? ... (snip trick) ... I think you d need more evidence to
      Message 2 of 8 , Nov 6, 2000
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        > From: Samuel Curtis <conanchristie@...>
        > No, no-- not the problems of the homepages, but the thing I want to
        > ask is about TV dramas.

        Is this the same drama you've written about before that had a
        character who parodied Conan?

        > Last Friday I saw a TV drama of Chinese made, The Files of Young Pao,
        > a detective series set some 1000 years ago (I don't watch the series
        > often). When I watched, I found that some parts of it is certainly
        > copied from the Idol's Locked Room Murder case from Conan. That part
        > was as follows:
        (snip trick)
        > Which is an exact replica of the Conan cas I've said, and
        > evennot copied not very good: how can a commoner get ice some 1000
        > years ago? (I've heard ice supply was restricted to the Royan family).
        > Is that a breach of copyright? Shall I tell the Shogakukan?

        I think you'd need more evidence to actually present a legal
        case. I've never heard of any one getting in trouble for copyright
        violation because the trick in a mystery novel was copied, but if
        people can be found guilty in cases where they do stuff like make
        the bridge of a pop song too much like another song, then I guess
        it could be possible. I think Shougakukan is more concerned
        about copyright violations like using the Conan characters or logo
        on merchandise or whatever without permission. This seems
        loose enough that it could be argued by the producers of the
        drama that the similarities are unintentional (though it really does
        look like a rip-off.) Movies have copied significant plot details
        from each other and have gotten away with it before, even
        though the people watching it can tell.

        So the series is bad otherwise, too? That's too bad . . . I love
        historical mysteries. ^^;

        > (Well I should have known this: I've known this series have copied
        > Kindaichi previously.

        I guess the fact that they have pretty much the same title is a
        dead giveaway. :p

        -Jessica,
        who almost wishes that Conan was popular enough in her
        country to spawn rip-offs like these . . . it'd be way better than
        the total crap on American tv right now, anyway. :P
      • aChar!
        ... family). ... I think you get the wrong idea of copyright... on my IPM book (a computer-based management subject), copyright legally protects an idea but
        Message 3 of 8 , Nov 7, 2000
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          > Which is an exact replica of the Conan cas I've said, and
          > evennot copied not very good: how can a commoner get ice some 1000
          > years ago? (I've heard ice supply was restricted to the Royan
          family).
          > Is that a breach of copyright? Shall I tell the Shogakukan?
          I think you get the wrong idea of copyright... on my IPM book (a
          computer-based management subject), copyright legally protects an
          idea but not the underlaying operating principal. This means, if
          Aoyama copied the story straight into Conan (with the same characters
          of Guo and Pao and so on), that is a breach of copyright. However,
          getting the idea of a story from another author is not a breach. Once
          Aoyama starts putting an author's fictional character name into any
          of his works, that's when he breaches the copyright.

          About patents... well, I think this problem doesn't exist as what
          patents do is to legally protect inventive solutions (such as
          penicilin etc) and their underlaying principles for life. Except for
          computer patents, it's only for a period of 16 years. No relevance of
          breaching patents in here.

          I guess I've got enough of IPM after the exam yesterday... it's good
          to have a day break (Melbourne Cup Day, yipee!) before starting
          school again... I hate the work! (Especially that exams are coming
          within a week's time)

          Marsha... help me with my Legal assignments... <@__@;>
        • Samuel Curtis
          ... No. It should be also said, in the TV drama Temple Street, Mom and friends (That you said had a character parodied Conan) did not have exact parodies.
          Message 4 of 8 , Nov 7, 2000
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            "Jessica R." wrote:

            > > From: Samuel Curtis <conanchristie@...>
            > > No, no-- not the problems of the homepages, but the thing I want to
            > > ask is about TV dramas.
            >
            > Is this the same drama you've written about before that had a
            > character who parodied Conan?

            No. It should be also said, in the TV drama "Temple Street, Mom and friends"
            (That you said had a character parodied Conan) did not have exact parodies.
            One of the characters was named "Or Narm" (Surname first), which is the same
            with the Chinese translation of the name "Conan" (Note: this is a rather
            unusual name, apart from the Conan fact). Mr. Or have a end that he was
            being had. He was in no way like Conan Edogawa; he was originally a fortune
            teller. But as I have said, as Or Narm was such a unnatural name and its
            connection to Conan, many (including) did think that TVB wanted to defame
            Detective Conan.

            --
            Samuel Curtis
            (Who started to read BlackJack... quite the opposite of Conan, isn't it?)

            Caritas Optimus Veritas
            Love Ideal Truth

            Pour amour, pour ideal et pour verite!(The first line of "Truth" in French)
          • Samuel Curtis
            ... May the legal theory you said was correct, but I wasn t Conan that copied the drama; it was the other way round. ... Samuel Curtis (Who started to read
            Message 5 of 8 , Nov 7, 2000
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              "aChar!" wrote:

              > This means, if
              > Aoyama copied the story straight into Conan (with the same characters
              > of Guo and Pao and so on), that is a breach of copyright.

              May the legal theory you said was correct, but I wasn't Conan that copied
              the drama; it was the other way round.

              > --

              Samuel Curtis
              (Who started to read BlackJack... quite the opposite of Conan, isn't it?)

              Caritas Optimus Veritas
              Love Ideal Truth

              Pour amour, pour ideal et pour verite!(The first line of "Truth" in French)
            • Cherie Ponsuwanna
              ... Yeah, that s real big mistake. There shouldn t be ice in the story. Anyway, I wonder if it s illegal to copy the idea of the story, not the whole thing.
              Message 6 of 8 , Nov 7, 2000
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                >and
                > evennot copied not very good: how can a commoner
                >get
                > ice some 1000
                > years ago? (I've heard ice supply was restricted to
                > the Royan family).
                > Is that a breach of copyright? Shall I tell the
                > Shogakukan?

                Yeah, that's real big mistake. There shouldn't be ice
                in the story. Anyway, I wonder if it's illegal to
                copy the idea of the story, not the whole thing.

                Cherie

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              • aChar!
                ... characters ... copied ... It still applies though... they are still allowed to borrow the idea, but they are by any meaning not allowed when they start
                Message 7 of 8 , Nov 8, 2000
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                  > > This means, if
                  > > Aoyama copied the story straight into Conan (with the same
                  characters
                  > > of Guo and Pao and so on), that is a breach of copyright.
                  >
                  > May the legal theory you said was correct, but I wasn't Conan that
                  copied
                  > the drama; it was the other way round.

                  It still applies though... they are still allowed to 'borrow' the
                  idea, but they are by any meaning not allowed when they start COPYING
                  the characters.
                • Samuel Curtis
                  ... The production have previously admitted that they referenced Kindaichi, Conan and the X-files when they wrote the script. In copyright law it could not
                  Message 8 of 8 , Nov 13, 2000
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                    "Jessica R." wrote:

                    > > From: Samuel Curtis <conanchristie@...>
                    > > No, no-- not the problems of the homepages, but the thing I want to
                    > > ask is about TV dramas.
                    >
                    > Is this the same drama you've written about before that had a
                    > character who parodied Conan?
                    >
                    > > Last Friday I saw a TV drama of Chinese made, The Files of Young Pao,
                    > > a detective series set some 1000 years ago (I don't watch the series
                    > > often). When I watched, I found that some parts of it is certainly
                    > > copied from the Idol's Locked Room Murder case from Conan. That part
                    > > was as follows:
                    > (snip trick)
                    > > Which is an exact replica of the Conan cas I've said, and
                    > > evennot copied not very good: how can a commoner get ice some 1000
                    > > years ago? (I've heard ice supply was restricted to the Royan family).
                    > > Is that a breach of copyright? Shall I tell the Shogakukan?
                    >
                    > This seems loose enough that it could be argued by the producers of the
                    > drama that the similarities are unintentional (though it really does
                    > look like a rip-off.) Movies have copied significant plot details
                    > from each other and have gotten away with it before, even
                    > though the people watching it can tell.

                    The production have previously admitted that they "referenced" Kindaichi,
                    Conan and the X-files when they wrote the script. In copyright law it could
                    not be unintentional or coincidence; as they have certainly know about the
                    stories.

                    >
                    > So the series is bad otherwise, too? That's too bad . . . I love
                    > historical mysteries. ^^;
                    >
                    > > (Well I should have known this: I've known this series have copied
                    > > Kindaichi previously.
                    >
                    > I guess the fact that they have pretty much the same title is a
                    > dead giveaway. :p
                    >
                    > -Jessica,
                    > who almost wishes that Conan was popular enough in her
                    > country to spawn rip-offs like these . . . it'd be way better than
                    > the total crap on American tv right now, anyway. :P

                    --
                    Samuel Curtis
                    (Who have read 8 volumes of BlackJack... the source of my Moral-socialism,
                    apart from Extreme Ghostbusters.)

                    Caritas Optimus Veritas
                    Love Ideal Truth

                    Pour amour, pour ideal et pour verite!(The first line of "Truth" in French)
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