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Urgent! On The Current Bright Kreutz Group Comet in LASCO C3

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  • Pachacoti
    Hi all, Currently there is a very bright Kreutz group comet detected by Alan Watson the day before in HI1A sequences of 2009 Dec 30 in LASCO C3 data images.
    Message 1 of 18 , Jan 2, 2010
      Hi all,

      Currently there is a very bright Kreutz group comet detected by Alan Watson the day before in HI1A sequences of 2009 Dec 30 in LASCO C3 data images. What I want to express is that I urgently ask observers who are now enjoying the blazing sun to observe this object potentially in daylight. As far as I know very few occasions had once enabled people to view a Kreutz group comet from ground-based. Here comes my initial measurement of this comet in C3 data with Astrometrica:

      NET UCAC-2
      AWST01A C2010 01 02.17991 19 04 36.23 -27 23 42.4 5.3 R 249
      AWST01A C2010 01 02.19602 19 04 27.71 -27 19 46.1 5.1 R 249
      AWST01A C2010 01 02.22101 19 04 35.50 -27 13 50.5 5.0 R 249
      AWST01A C2010 01 02.23767 19 04 07.68 -27 13 16.1 4.9 R 249
      AWST01A C2010 01 02.26267 19 04 38.85 -27 08 04.4 4.9 R 249
      AWST01A C2010 01 02.27934 19 04 26.87 -27 04 20.8 4.8 R 249
      AWST01A C2010 01 02.32102 19 04 25.18 -26 59 20.3 4.4 R 249
      AWST01A C2010 01 02.32102 19 04 25.18 -26 59 20.3 4.4 R 249
      AWST01A C2010 01 02.36269 19 04 24.07 -26 49 02.7 3.9 R 249
      ----- end -----

      The parallax between the SOHO probe and Earth is much smaller than the one between STEREO spacecraft and Earth. Observers who are interested in it might directly use the realtime LASCO data for assistance. Hope this helps. Later I may try to do more measurement as soon as more data come out.

      Cheers,
      Wentao
    • rainerkracht
      Hi, from my measurements in HI1A and Wentao s C3 I have: 2009/12/30 JD=2455195.9576500 (ref. J2000.0) File: KREUTZ.POS Equat. Pos. & Vel.
      Message 2 of 18 , Jan 2, 2010
        Hi,

        from my measurements in HI1A and Wentao's C3 I have:

        2009/12/30 JD=2455195.9576500 (ref. J2000.0) File: KREUTZ.POS
        Equat. Pos. & Vel. Ecliptic Oscul. Elements
        (Gm, km/s) (deg, AU)
        Itr: 2 Converged s = 1.660E-02°
        X0: 3.21844942E+00 s= 5.4E-01 Mean Anomaly: 355.95669963 s= 4.3E-02
        Y0: 4.05165992E+01 s= 7.9E-03 Arg.of Perih: 87.17970616 s= 5.4E+00
        Z0: -8.27912826E+00 s= 9.6E-02 Long of Node: 9.51533174 s= 4.4E+00
        Vx0: 4.23023207E+00 s= 2.1E+00 Inclination : 144.20297484 s= 5.4E-01
        Vy0: -7.80553042E+01 s= 1.6E-01 Eccentricity: 1.00000000 s= 0.0E+00
        Vz0: 1.69856403E+01 Semimaj.Axis:
        Rj0: -1.34038E-22 DataPoints: 19 Time Span: 2.863 d
        A1: 0.00000000E+00 M. Motion: 0.9856076686 s= 0.0E+00
        A2: 0.00000000E+00 Perih Dist : 0.00474492 s= 1.9E-03
        A3: 0.00000000E+00 Perih Long : 96.69503790 s= 9.6E+00
        AF: 1.11000000E-01 Period (JY):
        Geocentric Positions Perih Time : 2455200.05999 s= 4.3E-02
        X0: 2.55728059E+01
        Y0: -9.28828637E+01 M Main Menu
        Z0: -6.61111067E+01 G GoTo Epoch
        Vx0: 3.41442203E+01 R Residuals
        Vy0: -7.37971896E+01 I Iterate
        Vz0: 1.88303857E+01 S Set as Start
        Rho: 4.14788765E+01 Q Quit

        Rainer

        --- In comets-ml@yahoogroups.com, "Pachacoti" <wentaopachacoti@...> wrote:
        >
        > Hi all,
        >
        > Currently there is a very bright Kreutz group comet detected by Alan Watson the day before in HI1A sequences of 2009 Dec 30 in LASCO C3 data images. What I want to express is that I urgently ask observers who are now enjoying the blazing sun to observe this object potentially in daylight. As far as I know very few occasions had once enabled people to view a Kreutz group comet from ground-based. Here comes my initial measurement of this comet in C3 data with Astrometrica:
        >
        > NET UCAC-2
        > AWST01A C2010 01 02.17991 19 04 36.23 -27 23 42.4 5.3 R 249
        > AWST01A C2010 01 02.19602 19 04 27.71 -27 19 46.1 5.1 R 249
        > AWST01A C2010 01 02.22101 19 04 35.50 -27 13 50.5 5.0 R 249
        > AWST01A C2010 01 02.23767 19 04 07.68 -27 13 16.1 4.9 R 249
        > AWST01A C2010 01 02.26267 19 04 38.85 -27 08 04.4 4.9 R 249
        > AWST01A C2010 01 02.27934 19 04 26.87 -27 04 20.8 4.8 R 249
        > AWST01A C2010 01 02.32102 19 04 25.18 -26 59 20.3 4.4 R 249
        > AWST01A C2010 01 02.32102 19 04 25.18 -26 59 20.3 4.4 R 249
        > AWST01A C2010 01 02.36269 19 04 24.07 -26 49 02.7 3.9 R 249
        > ----- end -----
        >
        > The parallax between the SOHO probe and Earth is much smaller than the one between STEREO spacecraft and Earth. Observers who are interested in it might directly use the realtime LASCO data for assistance. Hope this helps. Later I may try to do more measurement as soon as more data come out.
        >
        > Cheers,
        > Wentao
        >
      • P. Edward Murray
        Is it still observable in the Lasco images? Magnitude estimates? Thanks, Ed Murray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
        Message 3 of 18 , Jan 2, 2010
          Is it still observable in the Lasco images?

          Magnitude estimates?

          Thanks,

          Ed Murray

          [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
        • Matson, Robert D.
          Yes, still very visible in LASCO, and has gone to negative magnitude. I have created a movie of all of today s LASCO C3 images if anyone wants me to forward it
          Message 4 of 18 , Jan 2, 2010
            Yes, still very visible in LASCO, and has gone to negative magnitude. I
            have created a movie of all of today's LASCO C3 images if anyone wants
            me to forward it to them. (Size is about 5 megabytes, .AVI format).

            --Rob


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          • Michal Kusiak
            Comet is still visible in solar elongation ~3.5 deg. At this moment comet saturated C3 detector. Magnitude perhaps 0 (maybe -1) mag and still go to up. If the
            Message 5 of 18 , Jan 2, 2010
              Comet is still visible in solar elongation ~3.5 deg.
              At this moment comet saturated C3 detector. Magnitude perhaps 0 (maybe -1) mag and still go to up.
              If the comet were discoovered yesterday (SOHO data were not available yesterday), it would be detected with te 30-m radiotelescope IRAM today between 9-15 UT.

              Regards,
              Michal



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            • Pachacoti
              More to come: NET UCAC-2 AWST01A C2010 01 02.01267 19 04 34.50 -27 50 25.4 5.9 R 249 AWST01A C2010 01 02.02934 19 04 34.77 -27 47 38.1
              Message 6 of 18 , Jan 2, 2010
                More to come:

                NET UCAC-2
                AWST01A C2010 01 02.01267 19 04 34.50 -27 50 25.4 5.9 R 249
                AWST01A C2010 01 02.02934 19 04 34.77 -27 47 38.1 5.8 R 249
                AWST01A C2010 01 02.07126 19 04 33.69 -27 40 31.0 5.7 R 249
                AWST01A C2010 01 02.09601 19 04 34.40 -27 36 44.5 5.7 R 249
                AWST01A C2010 01 02.11267 19 04 36.02 -27 33 18.8 5.6 R 249
                AWST01A C2010 01 02.13784 19 04 33.20 -27 29 23.9 5.4 R 249
                AWST01A C2010 01 02.17991 19 04 31.20 -27 22 12.2 5.3 R 249
                AWST01A C2010 01 02.19602 19 04 31.31 -27 19 20.9 5.1 R 249
                AWST01A C2010 01 02.22101 19 04 31.47 -27 15 14.7 5.0 R 249
                AWST01A C2010 01 02.23767 19 04 30.07 -27 12 24.5 4.9 R 249
                AWST01A C2010 01 02.26267 19 04 27.01 -27 08 16.0 4.7 R 249
                AWST01A C2010 01 02.27934 19 04 27.83 -27 05 11.6 4.6 R 249
                AWST01A C2010 01 02.32102 19 04 24.49 -26 58 08.2 4.3 R 249
                AWST01A C2010 01 02.32102 19 04 24.49 -26 58 08.2 4.3 R 249
                AWST01A C2010 01 02.36269 19 04 22.99 -26 50 57.5 3.7 R 249
                AWST01A C2010 01 02.40473 19 04 24.12 -26 43 37.7 3.5 R 249
                AWST01A C2010 01 02.43317 19 04 19.34 -26 38 46.3 3.3 R 249
                AWST01A C2010 01 02.44755 19 04 18.38 -26 36 16.6 3.3 R 249
                AWST01A C2010 01 02.47101 19 04 16.88 -26 32 08.3 3.1 R 249
                AWST01A C2010 01 02.48767 19 04 15.41 -26 29 15.4 3.1 R 249
                AWST01A C2010 01 02.51269 19 04 13.24 -26 24 41.5 3.0 R 249
                AWST01A C2010 01 02.52934 19 04 12.13 -26 21 49.5 2.6 R 249
                AWST01A C2010 01 02.57101 19 04 08.35 -26 14 24.7 2.7 R 249
                AWST01A C2010 01 02.59601 19 04 06.17 -26 09 57.8 2.3 R 249
                AWST01A C2010 01 02.61269 19 04 03.94 -26 06 55.1 2.4 R 249
                AWST01A C2010 01 02.63781 19 04 01.06 -26 02 27.8 2.2 R 249
                AWST01A C2010 01 02.65435 19 03 59.68 -25 59 26.5 2.2 R 249
                AWST01A C2010 01 02.67934 19 03 55.97 -25 54 45.1 2.1 R 249
                AWST01A C2010 01 02.69601 19 03 54.44 -25 51 53.0 1.9 R 249
                AWST01A C2010 01 02.72101 19 03 50.83 -25 47 23.0 1.7 R 249
                AWST01A C2010 01 02.72101 19 03 50.83 -25 47 23.0 1.7 R 249
                AWST01A C2010 01 02.73767 19 03 48.88 -25 44 10.7 1.6 R 249
                AWST01A C2010 01 02.76267 19 03 45.12 -25 39 23.0 1.9 R 249
                AWST01A C2010 01 02.77934 19 03 44.12 -25 36 26.3 2.3 R 249
                AWST01A C2010 01 02.82101 19 03 40.50 -25 28 52.1 1.6 R 249
                ----- end -----

                I'm afraid the photometry measurement of later sequences will be seriously influenced due to the saturation of the comet. Btw, the distortion of the C3 images is really disgusting...

                Cheers,
                Wentao

                --- In comets-ml@yahoogroups.com, Michal Kusiak <komeciarz@...> wrote:
                >
                >
                > Comet is still visible in solar elongation ~3.5 deg.
                > At this moment comet saturated C3 detector. Magnitude perhaps 0 (maybe -1) mag and still go to up.
                > If the comet were discoovered yesterday (SOHO data were not available yesterday), it would be detected with te 30-m radiotelescope IRAM today between 9-15 UT.
                >
                > Regards,
                > Michal
              • Mike Mattei
                Hi Robert I would be interested in a video of this comet could you send it to me please? Thanks Mike Mattei micmattei@comcast.net ... From: Matson, Robert D.
                Message 7 of 18 , Jan 2, 2010
                  Hi Robert

                  I would be interested in a video of this comet could you send it to me please?

                  Thanks
                  Mike Mattei

                  micmattei@...


                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: Matson, Robert D.
                  To: comets-ml@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 4:52 PM
                  Subject: RE: [comets-ml] Re: Urgent! On The Current Bright Kreutz Group Comet in LASCO C3



                  Yes, still very visible in LASCO, and has gone to negative magnitude. I
                  have created a movie of all of today's LASCO C3 images if anyone wants
                  me to forward it to them. (Size is about 5 megabytes, .AVI format).

                  --Rob

                  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





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                • Matson, Robert D.
                  ... Significant radial distortion for a field of view as wide as LASCO-C3 is pretty much unavoidable. I typically model much narrower-field, space-based
                  Message 8 of 18 , Jan 2, 2010
                    > I'm afraid the photometry measurement of later sequences will be
                    > seriously influenced due to the saturation of the comet. Btw, the
                    > distortion of the C3 images is really disgusting...

                    Significant radial distortion for a field of view as wide as LASCO-C3
                    is pretty much unavoidable. I typically model much narrower-field,
                    space-based sensors with 5th or 7th order polynomials (not an option
                    for Astrometrica, I'm afraid). --Rob


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                  • Lode Stevens
                    Could there be a reflection at 9 o clock and I see an object just before the comet in the same area. Please confirm ? Lode Stevens Belgium ... From: P. Edward
                    Message 9 of 18 , Jan 2, 2010
                      Could there be a reflection at 9 o' clock and I see an object just before the comet in the same area. Please confirm ?

                      Lode Stevens Belgium


                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: P. Edward Murray
                      To: comets-ml@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:47 PM
                      Subject: Re: [comets-ml] Re: Urgent! On The Current Bright Kreutz Group Comet in LASCO C3



                      Is it still observable in the Lasco images?

                      Magnitude estimates?

                      Thanks,

                      Ed Murray

                      [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





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                    • KDConod
                      You can make your own movie with the SOHO movie theater. http://sohodata.nascom.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/soho_movie_theater Select Lasco C3 Start at 2010-01-01, end at
                      Message 10 of 18 , Jan 2, 2010
                        You can make your own movie with the SOHO movie theater.

                        http://sohodata.nascom.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/soho_movie_theater


                        Select Lasco C3
                        Start at 2010-01-01, end at 2010-01-02

                        You can watch the comet enter the field of view from the lower left.

                        Kevin Conod
                        kdconod@...

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                      • W.-t. Hsu
                        I attempted to observe the comet between 00:30 UT to 03:00 UT via a 8.0cm-refractor f/7.5 without any success unfortunately, maybe due to the unfavorable sky
                        Message 11 of 18 , Jan 2, 2010
                          I attempted to observe the comet between 00:30 UT to 03:00 UT via a 8.0cm-refractor f/7.5 without any success unfortunately, maybe due to the unfavorable sky conditions of being heavily hazy and smoggy, and also due to my disconcentration caused by fatigue after a white night, or just mightbe due to lack of experiences in observing daylight comets... Anyhow, I have to admit my failure.

                          Cheers,
                          Wentao
                          *******************************************************
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                          (Man-To Hui, Wen-Tao Hsu)
                          +23deg09m12s, +113deg18m54s
                          Guangzhou, China Mainland
                          http://comethunter.lamost.org


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                        • jbortle@aol.com
                          My impression of the comet s brightness at 03 hours UT on January 3rd, by comparision with previous images of Antares in the SOHO C3 field, suggests to me that
                          Message 12 of 18 , Jan 2, 2010
                            My impression of the comet's brightness at 03 hours UT on January 3rd, by comparision with previous images of Antares in the SOHO C3 field, suggests to me that the comet probably not brighter than 0.0 magnitude at this time. Based on my long experience in observing objects in the daytime sky very close to the sun, I would consider the possibility of successfully detecting this comet with modest apertures as probably no better than marginal at the moment.

                            J.Bortle


                            --- In comets-ml@yahoogroups.com, "W.-t. Hsu" <wentaopachacoti@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > I attempted to observe the comet between 00:30 UT to 03:00 UT via a 8.0cm-refractor f/7.5 without any success unfortunately, maybe due to the unfavorable sky conditions of being heavily hazy and smoggy, and also due to my disconcentration caused by fatigue after a white night, or just mightbe due to lack of experiences in observing daylight comets... Anyhow, I have to admit my failure.
                            >
                            > Cheers,
                            > Wentao
                            > *******************************************************
                            > Wentao Xu
                            > (Man-To Hui, Wen-Tao Hsu)
                            > +23deg09m12s, +113deg18m54s
                            > Guangzhou, China Mainland
                            > http://comethunter.lamost.org
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                          • W.-t. Hsu
                            I made another attempt this afternoon since 14:00 local time (6:00 UT), yet I failed again even though I observed in a place where the sun was just merely
                            Message 13 of 18 , Jan 3, 2010
                              I made another attempt this afternoon since 14:00 local time (6:00 UT), yet I failed again even though I observed in a place where the sun was just merely occulted by an eave on the roofdeck of my dorm. The sky was just translucent, and smog as well as haze led to a pretty scatteringly pale background which might prevent me from making a successful observation of this staggering comet. Another reason resulting in my failure should be lack of experience observing comets and planets in daylight time. The eyes are prone to defocus unconsciously when observing something dim in daylight background. I undubiously need more training concerning this...

                              Cheers,
                              Wentao
                              *******************************************************
                              Wentao Xu
                              (Man-To Hui, Wen-Tao Hsu)
                              +23deg09m12s, +113deg18m54s
                              Guangzhou, China Mainland
                              http://comethunter.lamost.org

                              --- jbortle@... <jbortle@...> wrote:


                              My impression of the comet's brightness at 03 hours UT on January 3rd, by comparision with previous images of Antares in the SOHO C3 field, suggests to me that the comet probably not brighter than 0.0 magnitude at this time. Based on my long experience in observing objects in the daytime sky very close to the sun, I would consider the possibility of successfully detecting this comet with modest apertures as probably no better than marginal at the moment.

                              J.Bortle


                              --- In comets-ml@yahoogrou ps.com, "W.-t. Hsu" <wentaopachacoti@ ...> wrote:
                              >
                              > I attempted to observe the comet between 00:30 UT to 03:00 UT via a 8.0cm-refractor f/7.5 without any success unfortunately, maybe due to the unfavorable sky conditions of being heavily hazy and smoggy, and also due to my disconcentration caused by fatigue after a white night, or just mightbe due to lack of experiences in observing daylight comets... Anyhow, I have to admit my failure.
                              >
                              > Cheers,
                              > Wentao
                              > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *******
                              > Wentao Xu
                              > (Man-To Hui, Wen-Tao Hsu)
                              > +23deg09m12s, +113deg18m54s
                              > Guangzhou, China Mainland
                              > http://comethunter. lamost.org


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                            • costeira1
                              Dear friends, Accordind lastest C2 images, this comet desintegrated: SpaceWeather note: DISINTEGRATING COMET: A bright comet discovered by NASA s STEREO-A
                              Message 14 of 18 , Jan 3, 2010
                                Dear friends,

                                Accordind lastest C2 images, this comet desintegrated:

                                SpaceWeather note:

                                DISINTEGRATING COMET: A bright comet discovered by NASA's STEREO-A spacecraft is swinging by the sun today and apparently disintegrating.

                                http://www.spaceweather.com/images2010/03jan10/comet_c2_anim.gif?PHPSESSID=4i8e12ak23hs0d2v0suc59l264

                                []s do Alex!
                              • Jordi Camarasa
                                WOW!!! Thanks Alex!!! Observatorio Paus MPC B49 _____ De: comets-ml@yahoogroups.com [mailto:comets-ml@yahoogroups.com] En nombre de costeira1 Enviado el:
                                Message 15 of 18 , Jan 3, 2010
                                  WOW!!! Thanks Alex!!!







                                  Observatorio Paus MPC B49



                                  _____

                                  De: comets-ml@yahoogroups.com [mailto:comets-ml@yahoogroups.com] En nombre
                                  de costeira1
                                  Enviado el: domingo, 03 de enero de 2010 22:43
                                  Para: comets-ml@yahoogroups.com
                                  Asunto: [comets-ml] Re: On The Current Bright Kreutz...





                                  Dear friends,

                                  Accordind lastest C2 images, this comet desintegrated:

                                  SpaceWeather note:

                                  DISINTEGRATING COMET: A bright comet discovered by NASA's STEREO-A
                                  spacecraft is swinging by the sun today and apparently disintegrating.

                                  http://www.spacewea
                                  <http://www.spaceweather.com/images2010/03jan10/comet_c2_anim.gif?PHPSESSID=
                                  4i8e12ak23hs0d2v0suc59l264>
                                  ther.com/images2010/03jan10/comet_c2_anim.gif?PHPSESSID=4i8e12ak23hs0d2v0suc
                                  59l264

                                  []s do Alex!





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                                • jbortle@aol.com
                                  ... Clearly, the comet s coma, or head, abruptly becomes very ghostly between the 1130UT and 1154UT C2 frames, probably signaling the approximate time of the
                                  Message 16 of 18 , Jan 3, 2010
                                    --- In comets-ml@yahoogroups.com, "costeira1" <costeira1@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > Dear friends,
                                    >
                                    > Accordind lastest C2 images, this comet desintegrated:
                                    >
                                    > SpaceWeather note:
                                    >
                                    > DISINTEGRATING COMET: A bright comet discovered by NASA's STEREO-A spacecraft is swinging by the sun today and apparently disintegrating.
                                    >
                                    > http://www.spaceweather.com/images2010/03jan10/comet_c2_anim.gif?PHPSESSID=4i8e12ak23hs0d2v0suc59l264
                                    >
                                    > []s do Alex!


                                    Clearly, the comet's coma, or head, abruptly becomes very ghostly between the 1130UT and 1154UT C2 frames, probably signaling the approximate time of the exhaustion of the nucleus.

                                    I find it a bit odd that SpaceWeather should suggest that the disembodied tail might re-appear from behind the occulting disk several hours later in spite of the fact that the pre-perihelion observable tail can clearly be seen to disapate in the C2 frames acquired during the 13th hour UT. In all likelihood, surviving tails can only be generated post-T (such as in 1887), a feat that none of the pygmy sungrazers seems capable of accomplishing.

                                    J.Bortle
                                  • Alan Watson
                                    Gidday all, This link show a persistent tail example for a bright SOHO comet in 2007.
                                    Message 17 of 18 , Jan 3, 2010
                                      Gidday all,
                                      This link show a persistent tail example for a bright SOHO comet in 2007.
                                      http://soho.nascom.nasa.gov/pickoftheweek/old/15jun2007/grazecrop_best.mov

                                      Thanks for all the interest in this come shown by many of you here.
                                      The STEREO Cor2 images will be very interesting as they are released in the next few days.
                                      This link is the discovery frames, look for the faint streak rising from lower left.
                                      http://www.flickr.com/photos/40303621@N03/4239022012/

                                      The comet will be STEREO 23 when the counting's done ?

                                      Kind regards, Alan Watson.


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                                    • P. Edward Murray
                                      Alan, Congratulations on your discovery, so sorry to hear that it didn t make it.... Best wishes, Ed Murray [Non-text portions of this message have been
                                      Message 18 of 18 , Jan 3, 2010
                                        Alan,

                                        Congratulations on your discovery, so sorry to hear that it didn't make it....

                                        Best wishes,

                                        Ed Murray

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