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  • John D. Smith
    What are the intentional or accidental collaborative possibilities of a public-facing wiki for CPsquare? One of my motives behind setting up a wiki for
    Message 1 of 6 , Mar 2, 2009
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      What are the intentional or accidental collaborative possibilities of a
      public-facing wiki for CPsquare?

      One of my motives behind setting up a wiki for CPsquare that’s outside Web
      Crossing is that I think it’s high time for the CPsquare community to share
      more of what it learns in its internal convesations and conferences. In
      COM-PRAC we could criticize ourselves for having great open-ended
      conversations that never get summarized (see this great example from last
      July: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/com-prac/message/7930 ). Wikis seem to
      be a natural tool for that purpose because they lend themselves to sharing
      the workload and accumulating the pearls. Look at what KM4dev has
      accomplished: http://www.km4dev.org/wiki/index.php/Special:Allpages !

      An example of sharing what we learned that was itself a real learning
      process was how Sue Wolff led an innovative effort to report on the “Long
      Life the Platform” Conference about a year ago. During the conference we
      tried to gather comments in a Web Crossing wiki, but did not get many
      contributions. Then Sue set up a SurveyMonkey questionnaire to get
      additional comments (by allowing people to append a comment to a page). She
      then summarized and compressed the whole thing here:

      http://cpsquare.org/2008/04/report-on-the-long-live-the-platform-conference/

      I was impressed at the recent Recent Changes Camp how ingrained the whole
      idea of “reporting out via the conference wiki” can be for a wiki-oriented
      community:

      http://2009rcc.org/wagn/Session_Notes

      As an experiment I’ve put together a different kind of report (aiming for
      the easiest possible but still useful report that we might publish as a
      minimum) on our public Wiki:

      http://cpsquare.org/wiki/WAATWAAT_Conference

      (It demonstrates the use of a screen-capture and of an RSS feed Widget, by
      the way.)

      Also, I’m proposing that we put ALL CPsquare help files out in public —
      often they’re most needed when you can’t get “inside” or are lost…

      http://cpsquare.org/wiki/Category:Members_Help (This obviously has a long
      way to go, but, as Ward Cunningham said recently, “For a community,
      ‘incomplete’ is good news!”)

      I’ve added a widget extension, so that we can include slides, videos, and
      RSS feeds in CPquare’s wiki. Just to demonstrate the use of the video
      widget, I’ve inserted some of those CommonCraft videos in these articles:

      * http://cpsquare.org/wiki/Blogging_tools
      * http://cpsquare.org/wiki/Wiki_tools
      * http://cpsquare.org/wiki/RSS
      * http://cpsquare.org/wiki/Microblogs

      I would like YOU to request an account on our wiki:
      http://cpsquare.org/wiki/Special:RequestAccount . (It’s set up to require
      people to identify themselves in advance so that we won’t have a
      SPAM-removal burden later on.)

      John
      *
      * John D. Smith ~ Voice: 503.963.8229 ~ Skype: smithjd
      * Portland, Oregon, USA http://www.learningAlliances.net
      * “Your responsibility does not end with complaining. Suggest something
      better!” — Esther Dyson
    • Merklein, Jack L
      Is this Wiki going to be accessible by the at-large public or only open to CPSquare members? ________________________________ From: com-prac@yahoogroups.com
      Message 2 of 6 , Mar 2, 2009
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        Is this Wiki going to be accessible by the at-large public or only open
        to CPSquare members?

        ________________________________

        From: com-prac@yahoogroups.com [mailto:com-prac@yahoogroups.com] On
        Behalf Of John D. Smith
        Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 1:09 PM
        To: com-prac@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [cp] An invitation to use (and contribute to) the CPsquare wiki



        What are the intentional or accidental collaborative possibilities of a
        public-facing wiki for CPsquare?

        One of my motives behind setting up a wiki for CPsquare that's outside
        Web
        Crossing is that I think it's high time for the CPsquare community to
        share
        more of what it learns in its internal convesations and conferences. In
        COM-PRAC we could criticize ourselves for having great open-ended
        conversations that never get summarized (see this great example from
        last
        July: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/com-prac/message/7930
        <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/com-prac/message/7930> ). Wikis seem to
        be a natural tool for that purpose because they lend themselves to
        sharing
        the workload and accumulating the pearls. Look at what KM4dev has
        accomplished: http://www.km4dev.org/wiki/index.php/Special:Allpages
        <http://www.km4dev.org/wiki/index.php/Special:Allpages> !

        An example of sharing what we learned that was itself a real learning
        process was how Sue Wolff led an innovative effort to report on the
        "Long
        Life the Platform" Conference about a year ago. During the conference we
        tried to gather comments in a Web Crossing wiki, but did not get many
        contributions. Then Sue set up a SurveyMonkey questionnaire to get
        additional comments (by allowing people to append a comment to a page).
        She
        then summarized and compressed the whole thing here:

        http://cpsquare.org/2008/04/report-on-the-long-live-the-platform-confere
        nce/
        <http://cpsquare.org/2008/04/report-on-the-long-live-the-platform-confer
        ence/>

        I was impressed at the recent Recent Changes Camp how ingrained the
        whole
        idea of "reporting out via the conference wiki" can be for a
        wiki-oriented
        community:

        http://2009rcc.org/wagn/Session_Notes
        <http://2009rcc.org/wagn/Session_Notes>

        As an experiment I've put together a different kind of report (aiming
        for
        the easiest possible but still useful report that we might publish as a
        minimum) on our public Wiki:

        http://cpsquare.org/wiki/WAATWAAT_Conference
        <http://cpsquare.org/wiki/WAATWAAT_Conference>

        (It demonstrates the use of a screen-capture and of an RSS feed Widget,
        by
        the way.)

        Also, I'm proposing that we put ALL CPsquare help files out in public -
        often they're most needed when you can't get "inside" or are lost...

        http://cpsquare.org/wiki/Category:Members_Help
        <http://cpsquare.org/wiki/Category:Members_Help> (This obviously has a
        long
        way to go, but, as Ward Cunningham said recently, "For a community,
        'incomplete' is good news!")

        I've added a widget extension, so that we can include slides, videos,
        and
        RSS feeds in CPquare's wiki. Just to demonstrate the use of the video
        widget, I've inserted some of those CommonCraft videos in these
        articles:

        * http://cpsquare.org/wiki/Blogging_tools
        <http://cpsquare.org/wiki/Blogging_tools>
        * http://cpsquare.org/wiki/Wiki_tools
        <http://cpsquare.org/wiki/Wiki_tools>
        * http://cpsquare.org/wiki/RSS <http://cpsquare.org/wiki/RSS>
        * http://cpsquare.org/wiki/Microblogs
        <http://cpsquare.org/wiki/Microblogs>

        I would like YOU to request an account on our wiki:
        http://cpsquare.org/wiki/Special:RequestAccount
        <http://cpsquare.org/wiki/Special:RequestAccount> . (It's set up to
        require
        people to identify themselves in advance so that we won't have a
        SPAM-removal burden later on.)

        John
        *
        * John D. Smith ~ Voice: 503.963.8229 ~ Skype: smithjd
        * Portland, Oregon, USA http://www.learningAlliances.net
        <http://www.learningAlliances.net>
        * "Your responsibility does not end with complaining. Suggest something
        better!" - Esther Dyson






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      • John D. Smith
        Hi, Jack, There are areas that we can make private to CPsquare or to, say, members of a workshop or special project. But most of it is going to be open to the
        Message 3 of 6 , Mar 2, 2009
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          Hi, Jack,

          There are areas that we can make private to CPsquare or to, say, members of
          a workshop or special project. But most of it is going to be open to the
          whole world.

          John
          *
          * John D. Smith ~ Voice: 503.963.8229 ~ Skype: smithjd
          * Portland, Oregon, USA http://www.learningAlliances.net
          * "Your responsibility does not end with complaining. Suggest something
          better!" - Esther Dyson
          -----Original Message-----
          From: com-prac@yahoogroups.com [mailto:com-prac@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
          Of Merklein, Jack L
          Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 3:05 PM
          To: com-prac@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: RE: [cp] An invitation to use (and contribute to) the CPsquare wiki

          Is this Wiki going to be accessible by the at-large public or only open
          to CPSquare members?
        • Merklein, Jack L
          If open to the public, then we should cease paid memberships and refund the monies, like the renewal I just did this past week. Why buy the cow when I can get
          Message 4 of 6 , Mar 2, 2009
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            If open to the public, then we should cease paid memberships and refund
            the monies, like the renewal I just did this past week. Why buy the cow
            when I can get the milk for free? I originally joined all those years
            ago because I wanted to be challenged by some of the best and brightest
            minds in the CoP arena. I had ample opportunity to align myself with
            other, similar groups, but didn't feel then that it would be time
            well-spent. I liked the sense of an intimate community and access to
            thought leaders and my feelings haven't changed. I'm not in favor of
            diluting what we have.

            ________________________________

            From: com-prac@yahoogroups.com [mailto:com-prac@yahoogroups.com] On
            Behalf Of John D. Smith
            Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 6:11 PM
            To: com-prac@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: RE: [cp] An invitation to use (and contribute to) the CPsquare
            wiki



            Hi, Jack,

            There are areas that we can make private to CPsquare or to, say, members
            of
            a workshop or special project. But most of it is going to be open to the
            whole world.

            John
            *
            * John D. Smith ~ Voice: 503.963.8229 ~ Skype: smithjd
            * Portland, Oregon, USA http://www.learningAlliances.net
            <http://www.learningAlliances.net>
            * "Your responsibility does not end with complaining. Suggest something
            better!" - Esther Dyson
            -----Original Message-----
            From: com-prac@yahoogroups.com <mailto:com-prac%40yahoogroups.com>
            [mailto:com-prac@yahoogroups.com <mailto:com-prac%40yahoogroups.com> ]
            On Behalf
            Of Merklein, Jack L
            Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 3:05 PM
            To: com-prac@yahoogroups.com <mailto:com-prac%40yahoogroups.com>
            Subject: RE: [cp] An invitation to use (and contribute to) the CPsquare
            wiki

            Is this Wiki going to be accessible by the at-large public or only open
            to CPSquare members?






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          • LaDonna Coy
            Hi to all, I wonder if we actually have a win/win in the making here. The intimate community still exists and is behind the members door so to speak. This new
            Message 5 of 6 , Mar 3, 2009
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              Hi to all,

              I wonder if we actually have a win/win in the making here.

              The intimate community still exists and is behind the members door so to
              speak. This new area is a place where I'm imagining we share the kinds of
              writing or insights that help those expressing interest but not ready or
              able to dive into membership. To use the Foundations idea, the wiki is like
              the front porch only for our whole CP2 community. For me, I'm also
              wondering if this could be a place for those who want to do so, to publish
              intriguing themes or insights that help seed some eagerness in the rest of
              the world for what CoPs offer in terms of relationship building and social
              learning. The nice part is, as a wiki, we can share or not as we wish.

              Many times I have benefited from previous work by Foundations groups and
              would love to cite and celebrate it in the documents and workshops I do.
              That really isn't possible without seeking special permission due to the
              closed nature of the community and the fact I'd have to contact an entire
              group of people for permission. At least that's my perception, that we
              don't share what appears inside the community without special permission.
              So this notion of having a place where we can offer for public consumption
              some of these things is a welcome idea. I love being able to point people
              to (link to) key ideas, information, documents ... it seems particularly
              important in this world of social media. It provides a place, an
              opportunity to engage the rest of the world outside our community - kind of
              like a travel brochure.

              Just a few rambling thoughts,
              LaDonna



              On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Merklein, Jack L <jack.merklein@...>wrote:

              > If open to the public, then we should cease paid memberships and refund
              > the monies, like the renewal I just did this past week. Why buy the cow
              > when I can get the milk for free? I originally joined all those years
              > ago because I wanted to be challenged by some of the best and brightest
              > minds in the CoP arena. I had ample opportunity to align myself with
              > other, similar groups, but didn't feel then that it would be time
              > well-spent. I liked the sense of an intimate community and access to
              > thought leaders and my feelings haven't changed. I'm not in favor of
              > diluting what we have.
              >
              > ________________________________
              >
              >
              > From: com-prac@yahoogroups.com <com-prac%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:
              > com-prac@yahoogroups.com <com-prac%40yahoogroups.com>] On
              > Behalf Of John D. Smith
              > Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 6:11 PM
              > To: com-prac@yahoogroups.com <com-prac%40yahoogroups.com>
              > Subject: RE: [cp] An invitation to use (and contribute to) the CPsquare
              > wiki
              >
              > Hi, Jack,
              >
              > There are areas that we can make private to CPsquare or to, say, members
              > of
              > a workshop or special project. But most of it is going to be open to the
              > whole world.
              >
              > John
              > *
              > * John D. Smith ~ Voice: 503.963.8229 ~ Skype: smithjd
              > * Portland, Oregon, USA http://www.learningAlliances.net
              > <http://www.learningAlliances.net>
              > * "Your responsibility does not end with complaining. Suggest something
              > better!" - Esther Dyson
              > -----Original Message-----
              > From: com-prac@yahoogroups.com <com-prac%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
              > com-prac%40yahoogroups.com <com-prac%2540yahoogroups.com>>
              > [mailto:com-prac@yahoogroups.com <com-prac%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
              > com-prac%40yahoogroups.com <com-prac%2540yahoogroups.com>> ]
              > On Behalf
              > Of Merklein, Jack L
              > Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 3:05 PM
              > To: com-prac@yahoogroups.com <com-prac%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
              > com-prac%40yahoogroups.com <com-prac%2540yahoogroups.com>>
              > Subject: RE: [cp] An invitation to use (and contribute to) the CPsquare
              > wiki
              >
              > Is this Wiki going to be accessible by the at-large public or only open
              > to CPSquare members?
              >
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              >
              >
              >



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            • John D. Smith
              Jack, I think you raise useful issues on a couple levels: * how much public experimentation is needed (e.g., getting the Mediawiki up in the first place)
              Message 6 of 6 , Mar 6, 2009
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                Jack,

                I think you raise useful issues on a couple levels:

                * how much public experimentation is needed (e.g., getting the Mediawiki up
                in the first place) before we can have a useful discussion about the pros
                and cons of a community initiative that could blur or change the boundaries
                between the public and private spaces of our larger community. I felt that
                before trying to get a meaningful discussion going (either in the private
                CPsquare space or in public) I had to establish a more or less viable
                platform. Judging just how far to go is a wild guess on my part.

                * is it true that enlarging and strengthening the periphery of a community
                also enriches its core? I've been thinking that a public wiki could benefit
                com-prac and many people interested in communities of practice and most
                particularly com-prac members without really compromising the interests of
                anybody (e.g., dues-paying members of CPsquare). I know I've been overly
                optimistic in lots of ways before, but I think it's worth thinking these
                issues through.

                * to start out, I've set up the CPsquare wiki with stuff that was already
                public but which I thought CPsquare (and com-prac colleagues) could all help
                support more formally and thoroughly:

                ## a CoPs bibliography http://cpsquare.org/wiki/Bibliography_project that's
                kicked around the internet for years

                ## the tools pages that Etienne, Nancy and I developed as part of our
                Digital Habitats project:
                http://cpsquare.org/wiki/Technology_for_Communities_project . It's too big
                for us, probably too big for CPsquare and we thought that it needed to be
                completely public to get the cultivation and growth that it deserved.

                * Beyond that there are uses that DO blur the CPsquare boundaries. Whether
                these benefit CPsquare members enough and are appropriate contributions to
                the larger community is worth a careful conversation:

                ## CPsquare needs a public "help site" as its community resources become
                more complex: http://cpsquare.org/wiki/Category:Members_Help (this barely
                gives a hint of what it will become, but I think that from looking at it you
                can guess at what's needed: CPsquare and the larger CoP community uses all
                KINDS of technologies that need to be fit together and their fit or lack of
                fit needs to be described somewhere public)

                ## We need to be able to experiment in public such as we did in the
                WAATWAAT conference report: http://cpsquare.org/wiki/WAATWAAT_Conference

                Bottom line: it seems to me that there are costs AND benefits at drawing the
                boundaries between the dues-paying and the larger periphery around CPsquare.
                If the boundary is too tight and too closely drawn there are a whole range
                problems that come up. Conversely there are a range of issues that come up
                if we draw the boundaries too loosely or too broadly. The consequences to
                look at are collective ones as well as for each one of us individually. And
                I think there's the question of how to organize the conversation(s) that
                address these questions.

                Waving from sunny, breezy Puerto Rico, where I'll be off the net for a few
                days. (I'll be attending a ceremony at Ryder Hospital where they are
                unveiling a portrait of my Mother and then staying with the non-tech
                brother... :-)

                Cheers!

                John
                *
                * John D. Smith ~ Voice: 503.963.8229 ~ Skype: smithjd ~
                http://www.learningAlliances.net
                * "With company we quicken our ascent." - Rumi
                -----Original Message-----
                From: com-prac@yahoogroups.com [mailto:com-prac@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                Of Merklein, Jack L
                Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 5:47 PM
                To: com-prac@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: RE: [cp] An invitation to use (and contribute to) the CPsquare wiki

                If open to the public, then we should cease paid memberships and refund the
                monies, like the renewal I just did this past week. Why buy the cow when I
                can get the milk for free? I originally joined all those years ago because
                I wanted to be challenged by some of the best and brightest minds in the CoP
                arena. I had ample opportunity to align myself with other, similar groups,
                but didn't feel then that it would be time well-spent. I liked the sense of
                an intimate community and access to thought leaders and my feelings haven't
                changed. I'm not in favor of diluting what we have.

                ________________________________

                From: com-prac@yahoogroups.com [mailto:com-prac@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                Of John D. Smith
                Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 6:11 PM
                To: com-prac@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: RE: [cp] An invitation to use (and contribute to) the CPsquare wiki



                Hi, Jack,

                There are areas that we can make private to CPsquare or to, say, members of
                a workshop or special project. But most of it is going to be open to the
                whole world.

                John
                *
                * John D. Smith ~ Voice: 503.963.8229 ~ Skype: smithjd
                * Portland, Oregon, USA http://www.learningAlliances.net
                <http://www.learningAlliances.net>
                * "Your responsibility does not end with complaining. Suggest something
                better!" - Esther Dyson -----Original Message-----
                From: com-prac@yahoogroups.com <mailto:com-prac%40yahoogroups.com>
                [mailto:com-prac@yahoogroups.com <mailto:com-prac%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
                Behalf Of Merklein, Jack L
                Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 3:05 PM
                To: com-prac@yahoogroups.com <mailto:com-prac%40yahoogroups.com>
                Subject: RE: [cp] An invitation to use (and contribute to) the CPsquare wiki

                Is this Wiki going to be accessible by the at-large public or only open to
                CPSquare members?






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